Hyundai Kona Electric - 64 kWh with range up to 470km coming later this year

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#2107476 13-Oct-2018 22:37

Plugshare and chargenet apps on your phone would be more accurate than the default mapping software supplied with a car unless the car has a sim card already in it to supply real time rapid charger connection status.

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#2107490 14-Oct-2018 00:08

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I am looking at around 2k for a 7kw charger to be installed in my garage (it can also go outside if I wanted...they're waterproof I believe).

I could just charge my Kona via a standard plug but this would take 43 hours from 0-100% because it has such a big battery. With the 7kw charger, it will take 9 hours to fully charge (so overnight is easy...and, let's face it, I don't expect to be charging from totally empty ever!).

It is an extra expense to consider when buying an EV, but I look at it as future-proofing my home and even a selling point IF I was to sell my home.

This is the charger I am going to have installed in my garage...

https://www.transnet.co.nz/shop/ECOLight+LED+%26+Smart+Energy+Solutions/EV+Charging+Stations+%26+Accessories/Wallbox+EV+Chargers/Wallbox+Pulsar+EV+Charging+Station-2.html

I had a dedicated circuit installed on the outside of my house about 20cm below the main power box. That cost about $150 including the isolator switch.
I then had a 32amp Type 2 socket "Wallpod" from YHI installed. That unit cost me $832 incl GST. I also have a Type 2 to Type 1 cable that came with my UK LEAF which is able to AC charge at up to 6.6kw. I can charge the LEAF from almost empty to full in about 4 hours. A half charge takes about 2 hours.

So my total cost was $832 + $150 = $982.

I saw this is future-proofing for my next EV which will almost certainly be a Tesla Model 3....and I'll be able to charge at about 7kw.

My wallpod is a "ROLEC"....but I think YHI now brand these a "Neuton". I got one of the first units they ever imported back in April '17.

I charge my car in two places. One has a blue commando plug (3.3kw / 16amp) and the other is the 32amp / 7kw wallpod. The two installations cost about the same each.

I also went for plugs instead of tethered cables because then anyone with a compatible cable can charge from these. Type 2 is the NZ AC standard now, so going forward everyone should have a type 2 to whatever cable for their EV....and be able to charge from the wallpod. EV agnostic if I sell the house to someone with an EV.

Here is a photo of each.

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#2108384 15-Oct-2018 18:02

afe66:

Plugshare and chargenet apps on your phone would be more accurate than the default mapping software supplied with a car unless the car has a sim card already in it to supply real time rapid charger connection status.

I agree but, having had a car with in-built GPS maps, it really is convenient to have the car's maps ready at hand without having to dig around for my phone and plug it in to activate maps (which may or may not work with Apple Car Play or Android Auto).

Thinking about that now, though, maybe that is why so many Auckland drivers seem to be looking down in their laps on suburban roads and motorways?

In-car GPS mapping (preferably easily undateable, even at cost) is still important to me.

Also, I like ALL functions in a car to work...not to just be a button that suggests what it a button in my car could be...

I am a techno nerd/perfectionist, i guess?

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#2108440 15-Oct-2018 20:04

justin5:

afe66:

Plugshare and chargenet apps on your phone would be more accurate than the default mapping software supplied with a car unless the car has a sim card already in it to supply real time rapid charger connection status.

I agree but, having had a car with in-built GPS maps, it really is convenient to have the car's maps ready at hand without having to dig around for my phone and plug it in to activate maps (which may or may not work with Apple Car Play or Android Auto).

Thinking about that now, though, maybe that is why so many Auckland drivers seem to be looking down in their laps on suburban roads and motorways?

In-car GPS mapping (preferably easily undateable, even at cost) is still important to me.

Also, I like ALL functions in a car to work...not to just be a button that suggests what it a button in my car could be...

I am a techno nerd/perfectionist, i guess?

No, not at all, I wouldn't be happy paying $80,000 for a NZ-new vehicle that's advertised as having its own built-in navigation system, which isn't actually being provided. I just can't understand why Hyundai NZ would retail an Irish specd Kona here which may not be able to use NZ maps at all. I suppose it's better to wait until the Australian specd Kona arrives here, but I'm not sure what the release date for that is?

You would think that Hyundai NZ could issue a statement about this issue and say definitively whether or not the Irish specd Kona can in fact be upgraded so that it can display NZ maps.

That, combined with the fact that an announcement on NZ EV incentives still hasn't been made, might slow down orders for the Kona somewhat, which has apparently sold about 40 units so far, which isn't bad considering its very high price.

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#2108441 15-Oct-2018 20:09

I agree integrated systems are better but many years of lurking here has seen many posts of people trying to get software updates for car navigation systems that were either completely unavailable or only available at eye watering prices.

Remember is was usually cheaper to buy a new GPS mapper such as a tomtom than to get the mapping updated..

A phone on an appropriate holder giving voice instructions to the next available charger is a much more practical solution.

Car sellers seem to share with smart TV sellers a disinterest in keeping software updated.

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#2108480 15-Oct-2018 20:55

Had a look at the Kona and Ioniq today. They are both pretty neat, pretty big step up considering the relative closeness of the generation each one represents.

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#2109112 16-Oct-2018 20:45

afe66: I agree integrated systems are better but many years of lurking here has seen many posts of people trying to get software updates for car navigation systems that were either completely unavailable or only available at eye watering prices.

Remember is was usually cheaper to buy a new GPS mapper such as a tomtom than to get the mapping updated..

A phone on an appropriate holder giving voice instructions to the next available charger is a much more practical solution.

Car sellers seem to share with smart TV sellers a disinterest in keeping software updated.

Makes you wonder how long they'll persist with it. Mind you, look at how long it took for cars to get rid of resistive touch screens.

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#2114416 26-Oct-2018 13:06

On page 52 of the Summer 2018 edition of "AA Directions" the Hyundai Kona EV heads the list in the "new to market" section.

It's mentioned that:

"All the safety fruit is added; the icing on the cake is the Elite spec where a pedestrian warning is played for travel under 28km/h. Unfortunately, satnav won't feature until 2019."

It would be good to know when in 2019 NZ satnav will be available, so hopefully Hyundai will clarify this soon?

It must be a bit disappointing for owners of the Kona EV who have already taken delivery, to find that NZ satnav is not available on their vehicles.

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#2114419 26-Oct-2018 13:19

Wow, I hate the integrated maps that I had in my ix35. They were so slow and clunky. I just use Google Maps via Carplay in my Kona and it's so much better than any other integrated maps I've had in any car. I can voice search an address instantly to get directions, I can get traffic with one button, I can ask for directions to someone in my contact list instantly. I'm the complete opposite of you guys. I just want the display to support projecting my phone so I can run everything from there.

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#2114438 26-Oct-2018 14:22

gehenna:

Wow, I hate the integrated maps that I had in my ix35. They were so slow and clunky. I just use Google Maps via Carplay in my Kona and it's so much better than any other integrated maps I've had in any car. I can voice search an address instantly to get directions, I can get traffic with one button, I can ask for directions to someone in my contact list instantly. I'm the complete opposite of you guys. I just want the display to support projecting my phone so I can run everything from there.

Yeah, although the Kona EV has an interesting "quirk" with regard to supporting airplay and android Auto... they require a physical corded connection, this is despite have a wireless charging pad built into the car to charge phones wirelessly,

Its as if the people in charge of the entertainment integration and those in the power supply team were in completely separate rooms and never had meetings together..

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#2114474 26-Oct-2018 14:40

I have had an Ioniq EV for a year now and it has the same "quirks". i use CarPlay all the time and I suspect that even if the integrated system was available, CarPlay would be preferable and more up to date.

Agree that it is annoying to have to plug phone in rather than have it work via bluetooth given that the phone connects anyway by bluetooth to the car system.

There is no doubt that the traditional car manufacturers have not really understood how to integrate their cars with modern IT concepts like over the air updates etc something that Tesla has understood from the start. However not sure that the convenience that Tesla offers in this regard is worth the premium that you have to pay over a Hyundai Ioniq or Kona given it can easily be around $100,000 extra.

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#2114500 26-Oct-2018 15:39

wellygary:

Yeah, although the Kona EV has an interesting "quirk" with regard to supporting airplay and android Auto... they require a physical corded connection, this is despite have a wireless charging pad built into the car to charge phones wirelessly,

This is pretty much standard on all vehicles with Carplay. Apple have a specification for wireless Carplay but as far as I'm aware Mini are the only manufacturer who actually have a vehicle in the market that supports it.

I imagine wireless Carplay will become more commonplace over the next couple of years. In the interim I consider Carplay to be pretty useless because I would not mess around plugging my phone in every time I get in the car.

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#2114539 26-Oct-2018 16:41

wellygary:

Its as if the people in charge of the entertainment integration and those in the power supply team were in completely separate rooms and never had meetings together..

Yeah I know, I have a Kona. My mate is a Volvo technician and he's been giving me the inside track on why they haven't gone wireless Carplay/Android Auto yet - it's mainly around security of interception of the signal between the device and the head unit, and given factory head units for each brand of car have a lot more smarts in them these days than just the audio system i'd be keen for the security to be robust if there is a risk of interception.

Wireless Carplay head units from Alpine are all fine and dandy because they don't integrate with the rest of the smarts in the car.

I have no issue with wired Carplay, I have a 15cm Lightning cable that is permanently plugged into the car, when I get in my iPhone XS Max gets connected to that and sits on the little shelf above the Qi charging area. Then my wife has the Qi charger for her device when she's in the car with me. I also have a fast charger in the other power socket with a longer cable that has micro-usb/usb-c/lightning connectors on it for anyone else in the car or any other devices we are using on a journey.

Honestly it's not an issue.

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#2114541 26-Oct-2018 16:43

alasta:

In the interim I consider Carplay to be pretty useless because I would not mess around plugging my phone in every time I get in the car.

See above. Your comment seems nonsensical (IMO) given the benefits of using Carplay and Android Auto, and the fact that plugging in your device is literally a 2 second job.

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#2114549 26-Oct-2018 16:51

gehenna:

alasta:

In the interim I consider Carplay to be pretty useless because I would not mess around plugging my phone in every time I get in the car.

See above. Your comment seems nonsensical given the benefits of using Carplay and Android Auto, and the fact that plugging in your device is literally a 2 second job.

For me, having maps/navigation at my fingertips when I suddenly realise I need it while driving makes in-built navigation an excellent thing. I use Apple Maps and Google Maps and my new Kona will have CarPlay for my iPhone so it will be great for long trips when I always have the phone plugged in.

But, most often when I am commuting, I don't plug my phone in...it stays in my bag. So to have maps/nav in-built in my car is really useful (negating the need to fumble around in my bag for my phone and cable).

My previous car's in-built maps/nav were used very often, even though the unit kept telling me the maps needed updating. I never once, in 3 years of ownership, found a street that was too new for that Honda's in-built (though out-of-date) maps.

I will consider paying to change the unit in my Kona EV when Hyundai does eventually get OZ/NZ mapping for it.

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