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Master Geek


  #2220798 18-Apr-2019 18:57
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GV27: So is it the NZ maps or some sort of separate unit? I'll ask around.

 

 

 

Please do ask around because I want to know, GV27 :-)


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Master Geek


  #2221140 19-Apr-2019 13:59
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Leading the Charge came through HB today and I asked the Kona's owner directly.  He assured me the NAV worked although it had led him astray on some occasions.


 
 
 
 


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Master Geek


  #2221178 19-Apr-2019 15:35
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KiwiME:

 

Leading the Charge came through HB today and I asked the Kona's owner directly.  He assured me the NAV worked although it had led him astray on some occasions.

 

 

 

 

Probably in much the same way that Google Maps (and Apple Maps especially!) have lead me astray many times ;-)

 

Thanks for the confirmation of NAV working in that Kona. Leading the Charge is coming through Auckland on April 24th so might swing by in my Kona and see if I can catch a glimpse of the NAV in action....and how much more use it makes of the Heads Up Display :-)


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Master Geek


  #2223162 24-Apr-2019 13:01
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justin5:

 

KiwiME:

 

Leading the Charge came through HB today and I asked the Kona's owner directly.  He assured me the NAV worked although it had led him astray on some occasions.

 

 

 

 

Probably in much the same way that Google Maps (and Apple Maps especially!) have lead me astray many times ;-)

 

Thanks for the confirmation of NAV working in that Kona. Leading the Charge is coming through Auckland on April 24th so might swing by in my Kona and see if I can catch a glimpse of the NAV in action....and how much more use it makes of the Heads Up Display :-)

 

 

 

 

I made my way to Leading the Charge here in Auckland today....was really pleased to finally see a Jaguar i-Pace AND a Smart EV, plus an EV Motor-Home. 

 

Also, I met the owner of the Hyundai Kona Elite registration ION DRV that you saw in Dunedin, KiwiME...and he demonstrated the working NZ Maps to me and what shows on the Heads Up Display...I want! hehe

 

Interestingly, he ordered his in July last year and only got his Elite in March. I ordered my Elite mid-June and got mine (albeit it Irish-specced) in November.

 

I also met another Kona Elite owner there (Irish-specced) and he installs new satnav units in cars...he was pondering whether he could get an NZ satnav unit direct from Korea for much less than Hyundai have quoted me. He also couldn't understand why, if I had Hyundai change out the unit in my Elite, they couldn't guarantee it would work.

 

I don't want to lose my 3 year warranty...but maybe after that I might get a new unit installed? Or just order a new Elite....hmmm...choices choices...




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Uber Geek


  #2223343 24-Apr-2019 19:44
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justin5:

 

justin5:

 

KiwiME:

 

Leading the Charge came through HB today and I asked the Kona's owner directly.  He assured me the NAV worked although it had led him astray on some occasions.

 

 

 

 

Probably in much the same way that Google Maps (and Apple Maps especially!) have lead me astray many times ;-)

 

Thanks for the confirmation of NAV working in that Kona. Leading the Charge is coming through Auckland on April 24th so might swing by in my Kona and see if I can catch a glimpse of the NAV in action....and how much more use it makes of the Heads Up Display :-)

 

 

 

 

I made my way to Leading the Charge here in Auckland today....was really pleased to finally see a Jaguar i-Pace AND a Smart EV, plus an EV Motor-Home. 

 

Also, I met the owner of the Hyundai Kona Elite registration ION DRV that you saw in Dunedin, KiwiME...and he demonstrated the working NZ Maps to me and what shows on the Heads Up Display...I want! hehe

 

Interestingly, he ordered his in July last year and only got his Elite in March. I ordered my Elite mid-June and got mine (albeit it Irish-specced) in November.

 

I also met another Kona Elite owner there (Irish-specced) and he installs new satnav units in cars...he was pondering whether he could get an NZ satnav unit direct from Korea for much less than Hyundai have quoted me. He also couldn't understand why, if I had Hyundai change out the unit in my Elite, they couldn't guarantee it would work.

 

I don't want to lose my 3 year warranty...but maybe after that I might get a new unit installed? Or just order a new Elite....hmmm...choices choices...

 

 

I have talked to several people about this built-in satnav situation and most say that, although it's good to have, if the vehicle you like doesn't have built-in satnav, then as long as it has Android Auto and Apple Car Play, you will soon get used to it and won't miss having the built-in satnav at all. But, in your interesting post above, I see that you still regard built-in satnav as an important feature.

 

Another issue with buying an EV is whether or not it has a heat pump. Here's an extract from an article about heat pumps

 

"The best part of electric vehicles for me in the wintertime is the fast heating system. Many electric cars have a heat pump heating system that works like the traditional AC, but in reverse. This system is incredibly fast in heating up the car. I tried it the first time with our 2016 Nissan LEAF. It was a typical 16 degree Minnesota winter day. I went into our cold garage and reversed the car outside to the alley. While I waited for the garage door to close I wondered why the automatic fan was already running and to my surprise it was already pushing lukewarm air from the heating ducts. I drove less than a block and the air coming out was already hot. I had never experienced this kind of heating performance from any car before."

 

I wondered whether the heat pump system advertised as being present in the Hyundai Kona EVs is worth having and works well?

 

Not all EVs have heat pumps, so I wondered whether this is regarded as a key issue when selecting an EV?

 

For example, it looks like the Kia Niro EVs don't have either heat pumps or built-in satnav, but I guess most buyers wouldn't regard these features as essential?

 

 


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Master Geek


  #2223357 24-Apr-2019 20:19
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As best as I’m aware The eNiro 64KWh has a heat pump as do all last year’s Konas and at least the 2019 Kona Elites.
Aside from using just a few hundred watts to operate, tonight I had to demist the front, which has a dedicated button. It clears in about 30 seconds from a cold start, no waiting for anything to warm up.
It’s whole different world from that of ICE cars...



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Uber Geek


  #2223372 24-Apr-2019 20:30
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KiwiME: As best as I’m aware The eNiro 64KWh has a heat pump as do all last year’s Konas and at least the 2019 Kona Elites.
Aside from using just a few hundred watts to operate, tonight I had to demist the front, which has a dedicated button. It clears in about 30 seconds from a cold start, no waiting for anything to warm up.
It’s whole different world from that of ICE cars...

 

Thanks for your reply, yes I agree it certainly is a whole different world!

 

I can't see any reference to a heat pump in the Kia Niro specs (see link below), but I may be wrong on this one.

 

https://www.kia.co.nz/vehicles/niro-ev/range-and-specifications/


 
 
 
 


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Master Geek


  #2223406 24-Apr-2019 21:29
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No, it's not in the specs. I looked on TM and of the two examples that have photos under the bonnet, one appears to have the HP but it's a bad photo, and the other doesn't.

 

It's easy to spot - a huge valve assembly on the driver's side of the motor with plastic cover similar in style to that of the motor.

 

This one is absent the HP.

 

Click to see full size

 

This is my Kona, HP valve assy seen at left, the motor cover is removed.

 

Click to see full size

 

Found a better pic of the eNiro HP on the web:

 

 

 

 

 




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Uber Geek


  #2223483 25-Apr-2019 10:01
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Thanks very much for putting on a photo of the Kia Niro EV engine showing the heat pump, this is very helpful.

 

I see that for the Hyundai Kona EV, the specifications, under the heading of "Engine" clearly state there is a "Heat Pump System".

 

If the Kia Niro EV specifications were amended to show it also has a heat pump, this would be helpful.


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  #2224819 25-Apr-2019 14:14
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The weather hasn't got cold enough to use the Heat Pump in my Kona much yet...it certainly worked well in summer for air conditioning and cooling my seats. 

 

Heat pumps are great on EVs because they use less of the power you want for driving...I very much appreciate having a heat pump.

 

A lot of people plug their phones in every time they drive so are quite happy with CarPlay etc instead of built-in Nav. But I'm not so addicted to my phone that I need OR want it out of my bag except for long journeys.

 

We're all different, I guess.




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Uber Geek


  #2225559 26-Apr-2019 14:26
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justin5:

 

The weather hasn't got cold enough to use the Heat Pump in my Kona much yet...it certainly worked well in summer for air conditioning and cooling my seats. 

 

 

 

Heat pumps are great on EVs because they use less of the power you want for driving...I very much appreciate having a heat pump.

 

 

 

A lot of people plug their phones in every time they drive so are quite happy with CarPlay etc instead of built-in Nav. But I'm not so addicted to my phone that I need OR want it out of my bag except for long journeys.

 

 

 

We're all different, I guess.

 



I see that the Volkswagen e-Golf has both built-in satnav and Apple Car Play / Android Auto. It's such a basic thing to expect that I can't understand why Kia and Hyundai even considered leaving out built-in satnav! It seems that they assume that a buyer will pay anything to get a 64kWh EV and not mind whether or not the EV has features that are now expected when buying equivalent petrol cars! And why can't Hyundai add the built-in satnav to the EV Kona specifications now that it's reported in this thread the latest NZ releases have it?

And the ridiculous wait times for a new EV, except that the e-Golf is now available immediately and it has really good specs (well until you get to the range which is only 220kms).


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Uber Geek


  #2225653 26-Apr-2019 16:11
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frednz:

 

And the ridiculous wait times for a new EV, except that the e-Golf is now available immediately and it has really good specs (well until you get to the range which is only 220kms).

 

 

Except for a price that keeps going up, $62K on launch , then $63K and now $68.5K

 

If Nissan NZ can land decent volumes of Leaf 2.0s at $60K it should hopefully help to pull some of this price escalation back..

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Master Geek


  #2226404 27-Apr-2019 15:31
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wellygary:

 

frednz:

 

And the ridiculous wait times for a new EV, except that the e-Golf is now available immediately and it has really good specs (well until you get to the range which is only 220kms).

 

 

Except for a price that keeps going up, $62K on launch , then $63K and now $68.5K

 

If Nissan NZ can land decent volumes of Leaf 2.0s at $60K it should hopefully help to pull some of this price escalation back..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meantime...

 

Tesla Model 3 to go on sale in UK next week

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/26/tesla-model-3-on-sale-in-uk-may-electric-car 

 

Pricing in the UK has yet to be formally announced but Musk said in March that he expected the Model 3 to start at about £33,000.

 

Musk said that orders for other right-hand drive countries, including Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong would follow shortly after the UK.

 

 

 

33 thousand quid equals $64,000 NZ dollars...it will be interesting to see if it sells near that price here.

 

If it does, maybe I shouldn't have cancelled my Model 3 order? Although, the basic specs don't include all the Tesla fun stuff.

 

 


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  #2226458 27-Apr-2019 17:34
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justin5:

 

Meantime...

 

Tesla Model 3 to go on sale in UK next week

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/26/tesla-model-3-on-sale-in-uk-may-electric-car 

 

Pricing in the UK has yet to be formally announced but Musk said in March that he expected the Model 3 to start at about £33,000.

 

Musk said that orders for other right-hand drive countries, including Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong would follow shortly after the UK.

 

33 thousand quid equals $64,000 NZ dollars...it will be interesting to see if it sells near that price here.

 

If it does, maybe I shouldn't have cancelled my Model 3 order? Although, the basic specs don't include all the Tesla fun stuff.

 

 

A base S in the US is 78K in the UK ~76K ( both ex grants) and 134 K NZD

 

Based on that a base model 3 (35K USD) should be around 33K pound and between 60 and 65K NZD - 

 

 




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Uber Geek


  #2228968 1-May-2019 20:59
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https://www.northharbourvehicles.co.nz/vehicle_details.html?id=1438534&veh=2018-Hyundai-Kona-EV&pageNumber=1

 

https://www.northharbourvehicles.co.nz/vehicle_details.html?id=1528746&veh=2019-Hyundai-Kona-EV&pageNumber=1

 

The above links are to advertisements for used demo Hyundai Kona EVs, both on sale for $73,990.

 

The 2018 Kona has done 2,500km and the 2019 one 5,000km.

 

I'm not sure whether these vehicles are the "elite" model (current price $84,000) or the entry model (current price $78,000)?

 

The entry model was selling for $74,000, so if these demos are entry models, they are pretty expensive don't you think?

 

I wonder if they have NZ specifications and include, for example, built-in satnav as well as Android Auto and Apple Car Play?

 

They are a "chalk white" colour and look very nice and may be the answer for someone who wants a good 64 kWh EV straight away.

 

There are also a few similar demo / second-hand 64 kWh EV Konas on sale on TradeMe. But, it would be helpful if dealers could clearly state whether the vehicles are the entry model or the elite model.

 

I think I would prefer a brand new EV Kona as I guess you don't know for sure how well the battery has been looked after with demos that have done a few thousand kms?


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