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  #2031958 8-Jun-2018 10:29
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tripper1000: Their parent is Sun Hung Kai Properties, a company that primarily develops, builds and manages properties in Hong Kong and China, and has a land banking program in those places. Can't be sure that the parents modus operandi extends to the subsidiary, but it isn't much of a stretch.

 

Also principal sponsor of one of the Volvo Ocean Race yachts, if that makes you feel any better about where your parking fees go.smile





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MikeAqua:

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The humble ICE cars' days are numbered if you want to live, work, play in our larger cities.  



I'd go further and say that single occupant EVs present almost all the same problems as ICEVs.  The only real advantages of an EV is very low emissions.  Parking EVs is as problematic as ICEVs. They contribute to congestion the same way.  Lower variable costs are more than offset by higher fixed costs.



Just wait for self driving EVs to become available. Instead of paying for parking, you just tell your car to drive itself home and park there. Or if you are only in the CBD for a short time, tell it to keep on driving around the block.

EVs are actually going to make traffic congestion far worse. As the low running costs of an EV makes all of that extra driving possible, compared to using petrol.





 
 
 
 


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  #2032450 9-Jun-2018 10:41
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Autonomous driving will create less need to own a car. Less parking needed. Less congestion because they will act smarter. If there is a need for parking higher densities are possible compared to the needs of human drivers.

Imo we will see these autonomous vehicles replace existing uber/google services long before they are available as a purchase. They will not be cheap.

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  #2032510 9-Jun-2018 13:57
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Aredwood:
MikeAqua:

scuwp:


The humble ICE cars' days are numbered if you want to live, work, play in our larger cities.  



I'd go further and say that single occupant EVs present almost all the same problems as ICEVs.  The only real advantages of an EV is very low emissions.  Parking EVs is as problematic as ICEVs. They contribute to congestion the same way.  Lower variable costs are more than offset by higher fixed costs.



Just wait for self driving EVs to become available. Instead of paying for parking, you just tell your car to drive itself home and park there. Or if you are only in the CBD for a short time, tell it to keep on driving around the block.

EVs are actually going to make traffic congestion far worse. As the low running costs of an EV makes all of that extra driving possible, compared to using petrol.


Very good point re congestion. The growth in EVs needs to be accompanied by vast improvement in inner city public transport, edge of CBD parking and pedestrian/ cycle only areas.

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  #2032538 9-Jun-2018 14:22
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Aren't we forgetting the self-driving drones? They already exist and can be expected to form a big part of any near-future scenario. Automated one or two passenger mini aerial vehicles will literally add a whole new dimension to things.

 

 





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  #2032567 9-Jun-2018 15:25
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MikeAqua: I am so glad I walk to work. I have a 5 minute commute by foot. I even pop home for lunch most days. 

 

I'm so glad my work pays for my carparking!


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  #2032570 9-Jun-2018 15:31
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Aredwood:

 

MikeAqua:

 

scuwp: The humble ICE cars' days are numbered if you want to live, work, play in our larger cities. 

 

I'd go further and say that single occupant EVs present almost all the same problems as ICEVs.  The only real advantages of an EV is very low emissions.  Parking EVs is as problematic as ICEVs. They contribute to congestion the same way.  Lower variable costs are more than offset by higher fixed costs. 



Just wait for self driving EVs to become available. Instead of paying for parking, you just tell your car to drive itself home and park there. Or if you are only in the CBD for a short time, tell it to keep on driving around the block.

EVs are actually going to make traffic congestion far worse. As the low running costs of an EV makes all of that extra driving possible, compared to using petrol.

 

gzt: Autonomous driving will create less need to own a car. Less parking needed. Less congestion because they will act smarter. If there is a need for parking higher densities are possible compared to the needs of human drivers.

Imo we will see these autonomous vehicles replace existing uber/google services long before they are available as a purchase. They will not be cheap.

 

I was sort of thinking along the same lines as gzt, although my initial response to the idea of sending your car home was thinking "tell your car to operate as a taxi/uber". But yes, potentially less need to own a vehicle. And while I agree with autonomous cars not being cheap [to own], the taxi/uber style service they'll get used in won't be cheap either. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2032702 9-Jun-2018 19:28
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It's not like a self driving car is going to sit blocking a lane while it takes 40 seconds to make a hatchet job of parallel parking, or pull up to a kerb and chuck its hazards on to pick someone up, again blocking a lane. etc etc.


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  #2032703 9-Jun-2018 19:41
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New Zealand has older cars than average. It will take a long time for any new technologies to make any significant difference.


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  #2032813 10-Jun-2018 08:53
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Rikkitic:

Aren't we forgetting the self-driving drones? They already exist and can be expected to form a big part of any near-future scenario. Automated one or two passenger mini aerial vehicles will literally add a whole new dimension to things.


 


Hovering vehicles require vastly more energy than something that rolls along the ground so I doubt it would become common place

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  #2032815 10-Jun-2018 08:59
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timmmay:

New Zealand has older cars than average. It will take a long time for any new technologies to make any significant difference.


The promise is that automated vehicles smoothing out traffic flow by anticipating and maintaining distances, allowing smooth merging etc could hugely reduce congestion. If they could also communicate with each other to load balance the traffic it would work even better.
Idiot humans still on the road will probably wreck it though.

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  #2032816 10-Jun-2018 09:00
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timmmay:

New Zealand has older cars than average. It will take a long time for any new technologies to make any significant difference.


The promise is that automated vehicles smoothing out traffic flow by anticipating and maintaining distances, allowing smooth merging etc could hugely reduce congestion. If they could also communicate with each other to load balance the traffic it would work even better.
Idiot humans still on the road will probably wreck it though.

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  #2033630 11-Jun-2018 12:47
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kryptonjohn: The promise is that automated vehicles smoothing out traffic flow by anticipating and maintaining distances, allowing smooth merging etc could hugely reduce congestion. If they could also communicate with each other to load balance the traffic it would work even better.
Idiot humans still on the road will probably wreck it though.

 

Automatous cars bristle with HD cameras. They could be programmed to take a geo-tagged video/photo and email it to the cops.

 

Make the bad drivers pay for the road upgrades that are necessary because of bad driving.

 

 


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  #2033634 11-Jun-2018 12:51
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kryptonjohn:
The promise is that automated vehicles smoothing out traffic flow by anticipating and maintaining distances, allowing smooth merging etc could hugely reduce congestion. If they could also communicate with each other to load balance the traffic it would work even better.
Idiot humans still on the road will probably wreck it though.

 

 

At the moment proponents of automatic vehicles are over promising and under delivering.





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  #2033635 11-Jun-2018 12:55
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MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:
The promise is that automated vehicles smoothing out traffic flow by anticipating and maintaining distances, allowing smooth merging etc could hugely reduce congestion. If they could also communicate with each other to load balance the traffic it would work even better.
Idiot humans still on the road will probably wreck it though.

At the moment proponents of automatic vehicles are over promising and under delivering.

 

 

Maybe but that's not how I personally perceive it. I never would have thought they would have got as far as they have already. They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 


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