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  # 2033639 11-Jun-2018 13:00
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Maybe the automated car discussion needs it's on thread.

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  # 2033699 11-Jun-2018 14:24
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kryptonjohn:

 

They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 

Apart from the killing people issue, they are doing great.





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  # 2033717 11-Jun-2018 15:01
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MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 

Apart from the killing people issue, they are doing great.

 

 

As long as they are killing fewer than human drivers, adjusted for sample size etc then agreed, they are doing great.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2033740 11-Jun-2018 16:17
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kryptonjohn:

 

MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 

Apart from the killing people issue, they are doing great.

 

 

As long as they are killing fewer than human drivers, adjusted for sample size etc then agreed, they are doing great.

 

 

They seem to crash more than human drivers (without necessarily being at fault).





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  # 2033853 11-Jun-2018 19:08
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So you've based your opinion on "they seem..", or actual facts and statistics?

 

Remember now, tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people are killed in car crashes around the world due to human driving...


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  # 2033863 11-Jun-2018 19:34
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MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 

Apart from the killing people issue, they are doing great.

 

 

As long as they are killing fewer than human drivers, adjusted for sample size etc then agreed, they are doing great.

 

 

They seem to crash more than human drivers (without necessarily being at fault).

 

 

Can't say I've got that impression. - as I don't have a really good grasp of how many are getting killed in human driven situations.

 

 


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bmt:

 

So you've based your opinion on "they seem..", or actual facts and statistics?

 

Remember now, tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people are killed in car crashes around the world due to human driving...

 

 

1.3 million deaths per year in car crashes, apparently.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2033950 11-Jun-2018 21:11
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There's an open autonomous vehicle crash thread for this.

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  # 2034178 12-Jun-2018 09:44
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bmt:

 

So you've based your opinion on "they seem..", or actual facts and statistics?

 

 

Actual study that I cited in another GZ thread on autonomous vehicles.  The issue is that the auto-cars are too conservative and don't fit in well with human drivers.  Human drivers don't robotically follow rules to the letter and they don't expect other drivers/cars too either.

 

Most complex technologies go through a period when people are expectantly excited about what they will do (auto-cars are there now).  Then they disappoint as limitations emerge.  Then they bounce back and deliver about half of what we all hoped and dreamed they would.





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MikeAqua:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

They are actually driving around on public roads in 2018 (albeit with a safety driver). I never would have believed that would happen a few years ago, so they have over delivered to date in my own view.

 

 

Apart from the killing people issue, they are doing great.

 

 

 

 

The "Internet" only really reported the Uber incident, which may not have happened if Uber had not, as reported, disabled the Volvo collision systems. Payday for the family of that person. 

 

I'd even trust a computer rather than the people I see driving outside of Wellington, and greater Wellington [where there is grade /lane separation] is statistically a very safe area.


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  # 2034723 12-Jun-2018 23:03
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Well, that's the topic well and truly derailed...


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timmmay:

 

I pay using their app. Once I put the wrong license plate in, and as there was no record of payment I was given a fine, quite fairly. When I said "sorry I put in the wrong number plate" they waived the fine but included a very strongly worded phase that said "if you do this again we won't waive the fine". In general parking companies are just not customer friendly or easy to deal with, because they don't have to be - they're a monopoly and you have no choice but to park with them if you want to drive.

 

 

I avoid using that app, it supplies these criminals with your address/vehicle owner details etc.. If you get a parking infringement its easy for them to know where to address the infringement to.

 

Instead, go to the NZTA website, and revoke access to your personal details.

 

https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/PersonalInfoAccess/entry

 

This makes it impossible for them to send you an infringement by post as they don't have access to car owner information, or you address details. In other words, they have no clue who the car belongs to.


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Parking prices in central Wellington are going up, and up, and up. I feel like having a moan about it.

 

 

Seems the Comcom have had a change of plans and are taking Wilson's to the courts https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12092306

 

 




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  # 2059262 20-Jul-2018 11:37
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Good, though inadequate. They have what a dozen parking buildings in central wellington, and other providers have none? There's no competition anywhere in the Wellington CBD.


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  # 2059264 20-Jul-2018 11:49
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The press release:

 

 

The Commerce Commission has filed proceedings in the High Court at Wellington alleging Wilson Parking substantially lessened competition for the supply of car parking in the Boulcott Street area in central Wellington when it acquired the rights to operate the Capital car park. 

In 2015, the Commission granted clearance for Wilson Parking to acquire the lease for the Plimmer Towers car park on Boulcott Street. In doing so, the Commission noted the competitive constraint on Wilson Parking in this area would primarily arise from the competing provider operating the Capital car park – a large multi-level car park at 50-60 Boulcott Street.

In June 2016, Wilson Parking acquired the long-term lease to operate the Capital car park. It did not apply for clearance to acquire the lease.

In February 2017, the Commission began receiving customer complaints about price increases at the Capital car park. This led the Commission to investigate the acquisition under section 47 of the Commerce Act, which prohibits acquisitions that are likely to substantially lessen competition in a market.

The Commission alleges the acquisition removed one of the few alternatives to Wilson Parking in the area, resulting in a substantial lessening of competition for the supply of car parking in and around Boulcott Street. The Commission will be seeking a penalty against Wilson Parking, and orders ending its lease of the Capital car park.

The Commission is unable to comment further while the case is before the Court.


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Wilson Parking
Wilson Parking is New Zealand’s largest parking provider. It is part of the wider Wilson Group that has similar parking operations in Australia and Asia. As at June 2016, Wilson Parking operated more than 350 off-street car parking facilities throughout New Zealand, including 52 locations in central Wellington.

Section 47 of the Commerce Act
Section 47 of the Commerce Act prohibits acquisitions that are likely to substantially lessen competition. The Commission administers a voluntary regime that allows firms to apply for clearance if they consider their planned acquisition could raise competition issues. If firms do not apply for clearance, the Commission can initiate an investigation into a proposed or completed merger under Section 47. If a person breaches Section 47 they may be subject to a penalty of up to $500,000 for an individual or $5 million for a firm.

 





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