AT and rail transport in Auckland

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Reply # 2044827 27-Jun-2018 15:37

SpartanVXL: I agree with Linuxluver, with the PT available + uber I see a lot of the mate's siblings not bother with cars or licenses to drive them. They have better things to spend their money on :) Some of them for career choices are exclusively choosing places that also have this in place eg. London, Sydney, Japan, Korea.

Will be interesting to see if this persists if/when those people have kids. Throw a couple of car seats into the mix and kids activities and having your own car rapidly becomes essential.

The there are those times you leave the big city. You don't have to go very far off the beaten track to find there is no Uber.

Even living part time in Welly CBD, not having a car is a nuisance sometimes for example purchasing items that are difficult to carry.

I'd never be without a driver's licence.

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Reply # 2045069 27-Jun-2018 22:43

trig42:

I have read that here in NZ they are going the same way country-wide - either a prepaid card like Oyster, or contactless credit/debit cards (in which case, phones would work too). I think Wellington gets it first

The one thing I like about Snapper is that you can top up on your NFC enabled phone, and the credit is applied to your account straight away. With Hop cards, you need to top up online, and wait a day or two for the recharge to appear on your card when you next tag on. AT could do this if they wanted, guess its not a top priority.

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Reply # 2045150 28-Jun-2018 08:51

stinger:

trig42:

I have read that here in NZ they are going the same way country-wide - either a prepaid card like Oyster, or contactless credit/debit cards (in which case, phones would work too). I think Wellington gets it first

The one thing I like about Snapper is that you can top up on your NFC enabled phone, and the credit is applied to your account straight away. With Hop cards, you need to top up online, and wait a day or two for the recharge to appear on your card when you next tag on. AT could do this if they wanted, guess its not a top priority.

With Hop cards you can set up an auto top up when the balance goes below the value you define. It's very convenient and you don't have to wait a few days for the new balance to become effective.

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Reply # 2045851 29-Jun-2018 08:17

Oh well, it could have been worse!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105102214/passengers-stuck-on-train-for-three-hours-after-crash-in-auckland

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Reply # 2045921 29-Jun-2018 10:13

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kryptonjohn:

Oh well, it could have been worse!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105102214/passengers-stuck-on-train-for-three-hours-after-crash-in-auckland

Another communication fail judging by what passengers are saying. Passengers not given timely or any real information. Bad luck for anyone who had had too many coffees before getting on the train. Does management have no protocols or systems in place?

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Reply # 2045926 29-Jun-2018 10:18

The train was stopped only a couple of hundred yards from the station - couldn't they let everybody out to walk?

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Reply # 2045949 29-Jun-2018 10:53

kryptonjohn:
The train was stopped only a couple of hundred yards from the station - couldn't they let everybody out to walk?

Yes I will be interested to see why they could not do a controlled evacuation, my understanding is after 90 minutes that is the plan.

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Reply # 2045953 29-Jun-2018 11:06

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josephhinvest:
kryptonjohn:
The train was stopped only a couple of hundred yards from the station - couldn't they let everybody out to walk?

Yes I will be interested to see why they could not do a controlled evacuation, my understanding is after 90 minutes that is the plan.

AT say it was a 700m walk along the track. Darkness and the fact they were unsure what they had hit are apparently the reasons no evac was done.

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Reply # 2046005 29-Jun-2018 12:40

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Well, whatever they'd hit wasn't a Propane tanker - or a Mountain Gorilla.
I struggle to come up with a credible (post-collision) risk...

They weren't in an underground tunnel full of dangerous gases.

They most definitely _were_ on an unused right-of-way, in the middle of the NZ countryside.

For a group to wait for 3 hours while the nanny state drafted a rescue protocol - troubles me.
If there'd been injuries - is 180 minutes acceptable ?

Hell, a couple of company pickup trucks, running at 10 kph could've made the scene in 4 minutes from the station.
For those who can't walk 700 m.

And keep in mind that walking some distance is a keystone Public Transport requirement.

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Reply # 2046047 29-Jun-2018 14:36

London Transport does a better job with tube announcements on the trains. I used the tube extensively for around 10 days last year & when there was a delay they were quite open about explaining the cause. If a train stopped for more than a few seconds the driver would explain the delay.

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Reply # 2046067 29-Jun-2018 15:24

pdh:

Kiwi rail own the track network and are the primary safety setter for the rail network. AT would have been following the safety policies in place by Kiwirail; even stations such as britomart have clear boundaries within the station buildings of responsibility between kiwirail and AT.

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Reply # 2046077 29-Jun-2018 15:40

Benoire:

pdh:

Kiwi rail own the track network and are the primary safety setter for the rail network. AT would have been following the safety policies in place by Kiwirail; even stations such as britomart have clear boundaries within the station buildings of responsibility between kiwirail and AT.

Be that as it may, there's no reason why the two parties can't come up with a decent plan together to improve this situation.

No train could be coming from the south as the line isn't clear. Trains perhaps could be coming from the north, So there's a danger in people getting out of the right side of the train, for example, only if the train management allowed this to happen. There's no staff on the train to corral the passengers off but between them AT and KR could have been a lot faster in getting staff there and walking them to the platform. 3 hours stuck 700m from the platform is just insanity or incompetence.

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Reply # 2046079 29-Jun-2018 15:50

The safety plans is only Kiwirail, they create it and enforce it. AT has no choice but to follow it I'd imagine. I'm not fully up to speed with the rail operating procedures that we use but I am aware of the issues the legislation causes at stations owned by AT but attached to Kiwirail land (i.e. the rail corridor).

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Reply # 2046170 29-Jun-2018 18:56

Benoire:

The safety plans is only Kiwirail, they create it and enforce it. AT has no choice but to follow it I'd imagine. I'm not fully up to speed with the rail operating procedures that we use but I am aware of the issues the legislation causes at stations owned by AT but attached to Kiwirail land (i.e. the rail corridor).

AT and Kiwirail - what could possibly go wrong - it's still a huge fail to keep passengers trapped on a train which has no toilets for three hours!

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Reply # 2046428 30-Jun-2018 14:04

Function of our current society.

No push-back against zero concern about public disruption for sake of 'official convenience'.

examples:
(a) cops closing down main routes for 6 hours for a scene examination after road crashes.
This clearly doesn't make our roads any safer - yet nobody says it's unacceptable.

(b) motorway modifications taking months and years - causing bottlenecks for 10's of thousands.
Different performance criteria would complete work in 25% of the time.

We're not outraged by it - as our expectations have been trained down to zero.

Singapore had a Royal Commission last year - their large subway system had something like 2 delays (in a year) exceeding 20 minutes.

Public outrage - Royal Commission - expectation that things shape up.

In contrast, we are endlessly resigned...

Except for sports teams performance ;-)

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