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  # 2051756 9-Jul-2018 06:54
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The Jaguar i-Pace has a range of 480 KM, more than enough for most people. But the price will start around $130,000 NZD.





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  # 2051762 9-Jul-2018 07:14
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The Jaguar i-Pace has a range of 480 KM, more than enough for most people. But the price will start around $130,000 NZD.

 

 

So roughly the same price as a Model X? 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2051766 9-Jul-2018 07:30
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GV27:

 

jarledb:

 

The Jaguar i-Pace has a range of 480 KM, more than enough for most people. But the price will start around $130,000 NZD.

 

 

So roughly the same price as a Model X? 

 

 

Pretty much the same price for the i-Pace and the Model X 75D in NZ.

 

In range it looks like you will get more range for the dollar with the i-Pace. The Model X 75D has a stated range of 417 KM (NEDC) while the i-Pace has a stated range of 480 KM (WLTP)

 

Not sure why Tesla still use the NEDC range. Its an unrealistic way of measuring range. The WLTP is a much more realistic way of measuring range. So we are probably talking ~380 KM range on the Model X vs at least 480 KM on the i-Pace.







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  # 2051781 9-Jul-2018 08:44
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A bit overly positive review, because it's a pom loving the new Jag because it's a Jag.

But a still a good review.


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  # 2051801 9-Jul-2018 09:11
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And here's the requisite Krytie-TV review  

 


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Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace. 

 



Different priorities. :-) 

600km range and no petrol? 

In a heartbeat. There is literally nothing else like it. 

The upholstery looks fine to me. Gaps? Every car I've ever owned has some funky gaps. 


 

 

I am not doubting the Tesla technology, the drive ability and what Tesla brings to the EV market. For me,if I am spending well over $100,000 for a car I just don't want it to drive well it has to look and feel like a car that costs over $100,000. From afar the Teslas look great but when you get close and sit inside they quickly become disappointing. The panels just look poorly engineered and assembled which plants a seed of doubt as to the over all engineering. Inside the cabin plastics do not match a car of that price range and feel at best like what you would expect in a $30,000 hatch back. As for the huge iPad in the middle after your initial excitement and fiddling with new tech you realise that it is god awful, a finger print and reflection magnet and gives the car terrible driver ergonomics. 

 

I am not saying the Jaguar is perfect, it is not and it too has some odd decisions and some less than ideal features, the compartment for the charger and leads should really have been designed to fit them without a the conjuring tricks. The displays are good feature wise but are a reflection nightmare especially the secondary climate control screen that is hard to see for both passenger and driver.

 

As for Tesla they are making great progress forward with EV technology but their vehicle design and construction is very lacking. The fit and feel is appalling for vehicles coming in well over $100,000. I feel maybe Tesla would do better concentrating on the technology development and sell the technology to partnering OEMs who have been in the car making business for a long time and know what they are doing. 





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https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/17/tesloop-shares-lessons-learned-in-400000-miles-in-a-tesla/

"Tesloop Shares Lessons Learned In 400,000 Miles In A Tesla"

"Shuttle service Tesloop has hit an astonishing 400,000 miles in one of its Model S vehicles, making it the Tesla with the highest reported mileage in the known world.

Tesloop provides point-to-point shuttle service in Tesla Model S and Model X vehicles, having started off running loops from Los Angeles, California, to Las Vegas, Nevada.

Perhaps more impressive than the mileage target is Tesloop’s estimation that 90% of those miles were driven with Autopilot engaged, giving the vehicle the crown as the vehicle with the most semi-autonomous miles on it as well.

Tesloop has given its original Model S the name eHawk, and it recently opened up to share its experience with the vehicle to date."

 
 
 
 


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MikeB4:

 

Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace. 

 

 

 

 

I think your comparing apples and oranges. Tesla aren't a car company, they're a tech company. Jaguar are car company (an old school one at that).

 

The EV world going forward, I believe is a tech race, not an engineering race. This is where Tesla have a 10 year head start, and why their battery chemistry(where most of your money is going) is the best in the business, they support over air updates, over 10,000 super chargers, and there vehicle management systems have more in common with those in an F-22 raptor.

 

If you want engineering, for sure, go with the tried and tested approach. However in this war, the tech will always win, which is why my model 3 reservation stays put. To those interested, I recommend checking out the Munro & Associates M3 report on youtube, quite enlightening.


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  # 2058547 19-Jul-2018 07:13
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MikeB4:

 

Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace. 

 

 

I think your comparing apples and oranges. Tesla aren't a car company, they're a tech company. Jaguar are car company (an old school one at that).

 

The EV world going forward, I believe is a tech race, not an engineering race. This is where Tesla have a 10 year head start, and why their battery chemistry(where most of your money is going) is the best in the business, they support over air updates, over 10,000 super chargers, and there vehicle management systems have more in common with those in an F-22 raptor.

 

If you want engineering, for sure, go with the tried and tested approach. However in this war, the tech will always win, which is why my model 3 reservation stays put. To those interested, I recommend checking out the Munro & Associates M3 report on youtube, quite enlightening.

 

 

You can have all the flashy tech in the world, if you can't put it together properly then what does it count for? Cool, they can push OTA updates for braking performance - but why did it go out with such a major yet fixable issue to begin with? 

 

I'm not convinced we've seen everything Tesla has to play with in terms of battery tech, but there's a lot of deals being inked with battery suppliers by European manufacturers who are doing their own R&D - every dollar Telsa spend retooling is a dollar not spent on development so their agility is pretty compromised at the moment. This may be where everyone catches up and that competitive advantage disappears. Hell, if Panasonic/Tesla miss a next-big-thing development then that alliance could end up being a weakness. 

 

I'm also not sure what relevance the 10,000 superchargers is when we have like what, six in NZ and a relatively more well developed alternative network. 

 

Having said that I look at Toyota who are still insisting hybrids are the way to go and hydrogen will save us and just want to pull my own face off.




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  # 2058549 19-Jul-2018 07:15
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whitecd: To those interested, I recommend checking out the Munro & Associates M3 report on youtube, quite enlightening.



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GV27:

 

 

 

You can have all the flashy tech in the world, if you can't put it together properly then what does it count for? Cool, they can push OTA updates for braking performance - but why did it go out with such a major yet fixable issue to begin with? 

 

 

 

 

All of the other manufacturers have had similar issues which have required a software update to fix. For most car makers this means taking it to an authorised repair agent for them to reflash the firmware in the ECU.


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  # 2058720 19-Jul-2018 11:21
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GV27:

 

You can have all the flashy tech in the world, if you can't put it together properly then what does it count for? Cool, they can push OTA updates for braking performance - but why did it go out with such a major yet fixable issue to begin with? 

 

 

All of the other manufacturers have had similar issues which have required a software update to fix. For most car makers this means taking it to an authorised repair agent for them to reflash the firmware in the ECU.

 

 

"All of the other manufacturers" At the moment that's what, five companies making EVs in any real numbers? There's a lot more coming to the party.

 

People like to paint Tesla as being this massive disruptive beast but then can't accept it might get left behind at some point, like someone else won't just out-Tesla Tesla. 


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No I meant all of the car, not just electric car manufacturers. I think Toyota recently had to issue a recall due to a braking issue. GM has had ignition issues. Renault had throttle control issues. The list goes on and on.


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  # 2058857 19-Jul-2018 14:02
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No I meant all of the car, not just electric car manufacturers. I think Toyota recently had to issue a recall due to a braking issue. GM has had ignition issues. Renault had throttle control issues. The list goes on and on.

 

 

When Tesla has a full model line-up it might be a fair cop, but they're actively making just three models at the moment. Two out of three ain't bad, but it's still not great either.


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