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  Reply # 2103535 8-Oct-2018 19:51
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The news about the new NZTA nationwide solution (which will be used first in Wellington first) isn't new - it's been widely known about for a year and I know a couple of people who have already been involved with it.

 

My point about Snapper was in reference to the card - when most people think of Snapper they think solely of the card - they do not think about the backend system and clearing house that make the system work. By replacing the Snapper card with a tokenisation based credit card or other NFC card you're replacing a very small part of the overall Snapper system. 

 

The very same backend fare systems and clearing house are required. The move to tokenisation introduces lots of complexities, and also brings restrictions on how fares can be priced and offered which is why as I mentioned above physical Oyster cards are still the most common way of paying in London simply because tokenisation can't deliver everything.

 

 


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  Reply # 2107650 14-Oct-2018 12:50
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sbiddle:

 

... the move to tokenisation introduces lots of complexities, and also brings restrictions on how fares can be priced and offered which is why as I mentioned above physical Oyster cards are still the most common way of paying in London simply because tokenisation can't deliver everything.

 

 

Apparently, Snapper is already moving towards the token based solution by releasing its new RideBank cards and new payment system. 

 

https://www.snapper.co.nz/introducing-ridebank 

 

It's available now on iPhone only. But it is planned to be released for all platforms later. 

 

The point is that the new card will have the same abilities in regards to the payments. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2107654 14-Oct-2018 13:05
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spoonboy:

 

sbiddle:

 

... the move to tokenisation introduces lots of complexities, and also brings restrictions on how fares can be priced and offered which is why as I mentioned above physical Oyster cards are still the most common way of paying in London simply because tokenisation can't deliver everything.

 

 

Apparently, Snapper is already moving towards the token based solution by releasing its new RideBank cards and new payment system. 

 

https://www.snapper.co.nz/introducing-ridebank 

 

 

As pointed out by Steve in a reply to your post two pages back here.





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As pointed out by Steve in a reply to your post two pages back here.

 

 

Oh, thanks for reminding this. 

 

So, why then all that endless talks about complexity of the solution, if he's aware that it is already implemented by Snapper?

 

There is working solution that proves that it is very possible (what I was stating from from the very beginning and what Steve was arguing with). 

 

Furthermore, even Snapper now moving toward the new approach.


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Speaking of Snapper,  They are for sale if you want to buy them :)

 

Buried in Infratil's investment report this morning was this nugget.,

 

"Infratil is seeking a new home for Snapper with a preference for an owner who can leverage Snapper’s capability. Snapper has demonstrated that it can deliver locally and internationally and the ideal new owner would have global exposure to the public transport market to enable further growth."

 

http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/IFT/326710/290361.pdf

 

 


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KiwiSurfer:

 

Interestingly SkyBus in Auckland accepts HOP despite not being subsidised by AT. For HOP payments, SkyBus simply charges a single flat rate rate for all pax (regardless of distance or tertiary/child concessions etc) and doesn't take into account transfers discounts (not applicable these days, but I don't think they ever did during the time when HOP was set up for the old fare structure plus a 50c transfer discount). So basically they just debit the same amount for all pax no matter what. Not sure why this can't be done for the Airport Flyer (even if it means dumping the previous fare arrangement and moving to a simplified or even a flat rate arrangement to simplify the programming that has to be done).

 

 

From an official information act request I saw, the SkyBus (previously Airbus) paid for the AT HOP readers and all aspects of connecting (ie not subsided by AT at all).


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