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Topic # 240168 24-Aug-2018 06:26
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Which bean counter decided to fit J rated tyres to fire appliances?

http://nzh.tw/12112465

Absolutely ridiculous to take an emergency response unit and limit it’s top speed. They say they are safe up to 100km/h but that is their maximum rating. My car tyres are rated to 210km/h, I have no interest in pushing them to that limit but it gives me confidence that I’m only using <60% of their rated capacity. I wouldn’t be comfortable in something that size using 100% of the rated capacity.

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  Reply # 2078224 24-Aug-2018 06:37
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I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?


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  Reply # 2078225 24-Aug-2018 06:51
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Bizarre... nowhere does either the union or FENZ seem to care about the risk to other motorists or their own employees. It's all about whether the driver is liable to prosecution or not. And, obviously, the only situation where a driver might be prosecuted if they're within their speed limit is if there is a crash.

 

It's also about FENZ pushing the responsibility for potential crashes onto the driver; bureaucrats covering their a5ses following a poor "money-saving" decision.

 

 


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  Reply # 2078227 24-Aug-2018 07:07
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Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?


Urban legend.

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  Reply # 2078228 24-Aug-2018 07:14
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frankv:

Bizarre... nowhere does either the union or FENZ seem to care about the risk to other motorists or their own employees. It's all about whether the driver is liable to prosecution or not. And, obviously, the only situation where a driver might be prosecuted if they're within their speed limit is if there is a crash.


You are wrong:

NZHerald: The union's Auckland local secretary, John Waldow, said J-rated tyres were cheaper than the factory fitted M-rated tyres which were rated for speeds up to 130km/h. He warned that using the cheaper tyres would result in delayed arrivals to emergencies and "any delay in the response of fire appliances or emergency vehicles could ultimately lead to a loss of life".

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  Reply # 2078234 24-Aug-2018 07:40
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Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?



You need tyres rated for the maximum legal speed limit for your vehicle or the maximum speed of your vehicle if that is less. The speed rating is at the maximum load rating for the tyre.

Whether the fire engine is safe at the speed limit of the tyre would depend on how loaded it was compared to the load rating of the tyre.

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  Reply # 2078236 24-Aug-2018 07:44
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Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?



Please tell me you are joking?

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  Reply # 2078298 24-Aug-2018 09:42
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Linux:
Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?



Please tell me you are joking?

John


Could well be true at a VTNZ wof testing station ...

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  Reply # 2078305 24-Aug-2018 09:43
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Crazy idea, upgrade the tyres on the appliances......


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  Reply # 2078317 24-Aug-2018 09:56
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Batman:
Linux:
Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?



Please tell me you are joking?

John


Could well be true at a VTNZ wof testing station ...


Look up "VIRM" if you want to read the vehicle inspection manual.

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  Reply # 2078345 24-Aug-2018 10:36
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More poor and sensationalist media reporting of a Union beat-up of a non-existent safety risk.  Fire trucks rarely exceed 100 km/h and even at their top speed a tyre failure is so incredibly unlikely that it is almost non-existent.   Union is being a tad disingenuous and are simply pushing their own barrow. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2078498 24-Aug-2018 13:22
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Bung:
Batman:
Linux:
Mark:

I thought you couldn't pass a WOF if the tyres fitted were not rated to a speed that was greater or equal to the top speed shown on the speedo?



Please tell me you are joking?

John


Could well be true at a VTNZ wof testing station ...


Look up "VIRM" if you want to read the vehicle inspection manual.


My mate's NZ New 1.3L NA Honda civic has a speedo showing 240km/h. While a Subaru WRX STI rally car imported from japan shows 180km/h.

Now let's try to match 'em some tyres shall we ...

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  Reply # 2078576 24-Aug-2018 14:50
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scuwp:

 

More poor and sensationalist media reporting of a Union beat-up of a non-existent safety risk.  Fire trucks rarely exceed 100 km/h and even at their top speed a tyre failure is so incredibly unlikely that it is almost non-existent.   Union is being a tad disingenuous and are simply pushing their own barrow. 

 

 

IMO 95+% of the time unions are absolutely cancerous and do no good at all, in fact they cause harm, loss of productivity and force prices up for consumers/taxpayers unnecessarily. 


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  Reply # 2078582 24-Aug-2018 14:56
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wratterus:

 

scuwp:

 

More poor and sensationalist media reporting of a Union beat-up of a non-existent safety risk.  Fire trucks rarely exceed 100 km/h and even at their top speed a tyre failure is so incredibly unlikely that it is almost non-existent.   Union is being a tad disingenuous and are simply pushing their own barrow. 

 

 

IMO 95+% of the time unions are absolutely cancerous and do no good at all, in fact they cause harm, loss of productivity and force prices up for consumers/taxpayers unnecessarily. 

 

 

And 4+% of the time the save employees from taking the rap for a poor decision by management.

 

Unlike employers, who 95+% of the time are absolutely cancerous and do no good at all, in fact they cause harm, increase productivity and force prices up for consumers/taxpayers unnecessarily. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2078860 24-Aug-2018 23:08
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So how much does the next rating add to the yearly running cost?

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