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  Reply # 2181919 18-Feb-2019 10:46
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That's a very general issue. I thought it was everyone was working hard on EV except NZF. But its everyone is working hard on Zero Carbon Act, issues with NZF and National and getting it set as bipartisan so it wont be changed as other acts have been

 

If this went through today, I see no relevance to EV stuff, so I still feel its gone quiet. As too hard as many think its all about huge free money for me and my consumer EV, it really needs to be about businesses getting incentivised, bit not by subsidies


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  Reply # 2181922 18-Feb-2019 10:55
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I'd argue that nzers like to think they are green because we live in a younger country so their is more of a disparity between how we see ourselves compared to what we actually do compared with overseas countries.

Our stand on nuclear in 1980's was an aberration and not reflect what we actually believe.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2181929 18-Feb-2019 11:07
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afe66: I'd argue that nzers like to think they are green because we live in a younger country so their is more of a disparity between how we see ourselves compared to what we actually do compared with overseas countries.

Our stand on nuclear in 1980's was an aberration and not reflect what we actually believe.

 

Our nuclear stance in the 1980's was a series of unplanned statements that led us to declare nuclear-free.  It had almost zero bearing on the country (excepting visits from US warships - woopie).  It was a hollow statement that ended with no real change.  This has the same feel of rhetoric.  


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You are right about unplanned statements, and I wondered if J.A.'s EV announcements at the Climate Change Summit were just that, as they were an entirely different tone to usual. Off topic but Politically speaking, our Nuclear Free Stance had nothing to do with Nuke's and every thing to do with anti-Americanism and a wave of popular-ism, not substance. Lange whipped up "anti-nuclear" sentiment after he had sent a NZ Navy officer to Hawaii to choose a nuclear free ship to visit us.  The USA naturally saw it as a double cross, because while their official policy was "neither confirm nor deny" they had no desire to undermine a the N.Z. government and as a compromise had welcomed a NZ govt representative to inspect their fleet and select a ship that was politically acceptable.  


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tripper1000: Lange whipped up "anti-nuclear" sentiment after he had sent a NZ Navy officer to Hawaii to choose a nuclear free ship to visit us.  The USA naturally saw it as a double cross, because while their official policy was "neither confirm nor deny" they had no desire to undermine a the N.Z. government and as a compromise had welcomed a NZ govt representative to inspect their fleet and select a ship that was politically acceptable.  



Lange was on holiday in the Islands leaving Palmer who knew nothing of the arrangement. It was Palmer that turned down the Buchanan. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11785166

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  Reply # 2182033 18-Feb-2019 15:16
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tripper1000: Lange whipped up "anti-nuclear" sentiment after he had sent a NZ Navy officer to Hawaii to choose a nuclear free ship to visit us.  The USA naturally saw it as a double cross, because while their official policy was "neither confirm nor deny" they had no desire to undermine a the N.Z. government and as a compromise had welcomed a NZ govt representative to inspect their fleet and select a ship that was politically acceptable.  


Lange was on holiday in the Islands leaving Palmer who knew nothing of the arrangement. It was Palmer that turned down the Buchanan. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11785166

 

That's a little unfair, in truth he was on an official visit to NZ's last remaining colony, Tokelau.... [which like now is only reachable via a 2 day boat trip from Samoa]

 

 

 

... although he might as well have been on a "diplomatic mission to Alderan" as there was totally no way to contact him.... {and if anyone tells me this was a coincidence- I have a bridge to sell you]


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  Reply # 2182047 18-Feb-2019 15:23
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Ms Pope, initially Mr Lange's chief speechwriter, wrote to a newspaper in 1994 saying the PM had not known about the Buchanan until he got back from Tokelau, but she had since acknowledged that was not so.

 

It is like admiring someones 7 litre V8 Ford Galaxy, inviting them over for dinner then when they arrive, slamming the door in their face because they didn't arrive in a EV.


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