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  Reply # 2184939 21-Feb-2019 16:37
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When I was in Christchurch in early January I was shocked at the state of many of the tyres.


Apparently they have the Internet now in Christchurch so people had discovered how to do burnouts on them and that was clearly a pretty popular pastime for many people. In both Auckland and Wellington I've seen and used scooters with wear, but nothing like the random selection of maybe 50 scooters that I saw and passed in Christchurch.


 



Christchurch just got the internet??? That’s pretty mean. When I got connected last month when it came out , the modems all included spare rubber bands, so it’s well supported :-)

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  Reply # 2184962 21-Feb-2019 17:25
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I find it interesting that on this thread we have people calling for a per-ride surcharge for Lime use to cover costs to government (in its ACC guise), and on another thread we have strong calls for better subsidy to Electric Vehicle owners. Surely, if Lime will get some people off other less climate-friendly forms of transport - maybe reducing demand for diesel-burning buses and taxis - then the increased cost to ACC is a price worth paying?
Although I haven’t used a Lime yet, it strikes me as a great way to encourage people onto public transport by solving the first mile / less mile disincentive

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2185107 21-Feb-2019 22:40
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shk292: I find it interesting that on this thread we have people calling for a per-ride surcharge for Lime use to cover costs to government (in its ACC guise), and on another thread we have strong calls for better subsidy to Electric Vehicle owners. Surely, if Lime will get some people off other less climate-friendly forms of transport - maybe reducing demand for diesel-burning buses and taxis - then the increased cost to ACC is a price worth paying?
Although I haven’t used a Lime yet, it strikes me as a great way to encourage people onto public transport by solving the first mile / less mile disincentive

 

I think you're right that the scooters are quite disruptive to the status quo - although I'm not sure if the scooter will be the final answer to the last mile problem.

 

They're competing with other machines like the segway and electric skateboard. The e-scooter does currently look like the minimum required for an easy to operate 'e-vehicle' of some kind and probably towards the lower end of the cost scale too.

 

The thing that strikes me is how many changes in transport have come from the introduction of Li-ion battery technology. The uptake in e-bikes in Wellington has been huge just going by the number that pass me on my old fashioned pedally.


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  Reply # 2185154 22-Feb-2019 05:45
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shk292: Surely, if Lime will get some people off other less climate-friendly forms of transport - maybe reducing demand for diesel-burning buses and taxis -

Train station to work, bus stop to work and the reverse. It's mainly a replacement for walking in practice. It is what is is.

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  Reply # 2185155 22-Feb-2019 05:58
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Lime and their ilk also demo the e-scooter as a potential car replacement for the whole of shorter commutes, given there are very affordable scooters out there to buy.

For example, I've replaced my 8km return car commute to work with a 7km return scooter commute.

Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens at 12pm today...

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  Reply # 2185164 22-Feb-2019 07:41
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jonathan18: Lime and their ilk also demo the e-scooter as a potential car replacement for the whole of shorter commutes, given there are very affordable scooters out there to buy.

For example, I've replaced my 8km return car commute to work with a 7km return scooter commute.

Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens at 12pm today...

 

 

 

Agreed. I've replaced my 3 x weekly 3.5km bike ride with a scooter commute which doesn't help the environment or the wallet. However I've also replaced a 2 x weekly 8km car commute with an 8km scooter. 

 

TBH I don't know how long I will do the 8km scooter for. The 3.5km one is fine but the 8km takes 22min and is on a rougher patch of roads and I wonder how it will go in the wet weather.

 

I use to bike the 8km but can't be bothered with getting sweaty, showering and having to bring a change of clothing (3.5km is short enough not to worry if you go at a slow enough pace)

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2185203 22-Feb-2019 09:22
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Agreed. I've replaced my 3 x weekly 3.5km bike ride with a scooter commute which doesn't help the environment or the wallet. However I've also replaced a 2 x weekly 8km car commute with an 8km scooter. 

 

TBH I don't know how long I will do the 8km scooter for. The 3.5km one is fine but the 8km takes 22min and is on a rougher patch of roads and I wonder how it will go in the wet weather.

 

I use to bike the 8km but can't be bothered with getting sweaty, showering and having to bring a change of clothing (3.5km is short enough not to worry if you go at a slow enough pace)

 

 

Do you use limes or have you bought your own.... with that sort of usage the payback would be pretty quick....


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  Reply # 2185311 22-Feb-2019 11:47
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I really thought that when they were introduced, they would be a great personal transport device.

 

Anything that gets cars off the road has to be good - right?

 

I thought that the idiocy and lack of care and respect for other road/footpath users, shown by some riders would subside once the novelty wore off.

 

Sadly I have seen no reduction in the 'muppet' factor - if anything I think the idiot users have got bolder and sillier.

 

I use the footpaths in Queen street and central Auckland and have witnessed numerous Lime users have very close shaves with pedestrians - there is huge scope for real damage from these things.

 

I realise that this is a case of the minority ruining it for others. But in this case the 'minority' is a fairly large and annoying group that cannot be ignored.

 

I reluctantly think its time to say bye-bye to Lime scooters.





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  Reply # 2185321 22-Feb-2019 12:11
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That might be a bit heavy handed. After all we don't let a few idiots ruin it for the rest of us when it comes to cars, alcohol, firearms etc.

 

What we need is the cops out there handing out fines so these people pull their head in.


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  Reply # 2185322 22-Feb-2019 12:12
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I really thought that when they were introduced, they would be a great personal transport device.

 

Anything that gets cars off the road has to be good - right?

 

I thought that the idiocy and lack of care and respect for other road/footpath users, shown by some riders would subside once the novelty wore off.

 

Sadly I have seen no reduction in the 'muppet' factor - if anything I think the idiot users have got bolder and sillier.

 

I use the footpaths in Queen street and central Auckland and have witnessed numerous Lime users have very close shaves with pedestrians - there is huge scope for real damage from these things.

 

I realise that this is a case of the minority ruining it for others. But in this case the 'minority' is a fairly large and annoying group that cannot be ignored.

 

I reluctantly think its time to say bye-bye to Lime scooters.

 

 

I agree but its a people problem not a scooter problem. There are rules for cycles. Road only, helmets. That works. Scooters have basically no rules you do what you want, so people take that to the next level. if councils and Police made a few obvious rules and enforced them, then people will behave


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  Reply # 2185338 22-Feb-2019 12:19
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Or maybe a scheme using the 'crowd' nature. Use the app to report another user - when they reach a threshold of complain number their speeds get throttled / banned etc.


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  Reply # 2185341 22-Feb-2019 12:20
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elpenguino:

 

That might be a bit heavy handed. After all we don't let a few idiots ruin it for the rest of us when it comes to cars, alcohol, firearms etc.

 

What we need is the cops out there handing out fines so these people pull their head in.

 

 

I want these measures

 

1. Helmets

 

2. Footpath is allowed at a low speed, not sure yet what that is, maybe 10k thats only 2 x walking speed. Everyone else has right of way

 

3. Cycle lane is ok

 

4. Road is ok

 

MUST be enforced. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2185346 22-Feb-2019 12:23
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Everyone else has right of way

 

MUST be enforced. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  Reply # 2185350 22-Feb-2019 12:28
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elpenguino:

 

That might be a bit heavy handed. After all we don't let a few idiots ruin it for the rest of us when it comes to cars, alcohol, firearms etc.

 

What we need is the cops out there handing out fines so these people pull their head in.

 

 

True - But I dont have daily contact with most of the above idiots.

 

I agree we need cops pinging people for using phones in cars, red light runners, intersection window washers, vagrants hassling people on the streets and some fines for idiot scooter drivers - but I dont see that happening anything soon.

 

The only time I ever see police is while they are driving at high speed with the lights flashing through central Auckland. Really think we need more (some) foot (maybe scooter) or bike based local cops.





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  Reply # 2185367 22-Feb-2019 12:57
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robjg63:


I really thought that when they were introduced, they would be a great personal transport device.


Anything that gets cars off the road has to be good - right?


I thought that the idiocy and lack of care and respect for other road/footpath users, shown by some riders would subside once the novelty wore off.


Sadly I have seen no reduction in the 'muppet' factor - if anything I think the idiot users have got bolder and sillier.


I use the footpaths in Queen street and central Auckland and have witnessed numerous Lime users have very close shaves with pedestrians - there is huge scope for real damage from these things.


I realise that this is a case of the minority ruining it for others. But in this case the 'minority' is a fairly large and annoying group that cannot be ignored.


I reluctantly think its time to say bye-bye to Lime scooters.



I agree but its a people problem not a scooter problem. There are rules for cycles. Road only, helmets. That works. Scooters have basically no rules you do what you want, so people take that to the next level. if councils and Police made a few obvious rules and enforced them, then people will behave



Is not a people problem is a people on scooters problem




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