lxsw20:

Be interesting to see what the price is in NZ, probably more than the $20k odd for the current one. In the UK they are £15-17k.

Somebody on Reddit mentioned that there was a queue to test drive in Wellington today.

lxsw20:

 

Be interesting to see what the price is in NZ, probably more than the $20k odd for the current one. In the UK they are £15-17k.

 

tchart:

lxsw20:

Be interesting to see what the price is in NZ, probably more than the $20k odd for the current one. In the UK they are £15-17k.

Wow, I was told mid 2019 so surprised to see them here already. Although saying that they are already on sale in South Africa for ZAR260K which is around NZD25K - that's the base model I believe.

You'd be insane to buy one in my view. I read about the appalling safety rating they got. 

They look cool, but I'll take a safe ugly car every day of the week.

networkn:

 

You'd be insane to buy one in my view. I read about the appalling safety rating they got. 

 

It didn't rate that well for a modern car, true but:

1) It is still likely safer than a very large percentage of NZ cars on the road at the moment (so many older cars...) given the strides in vehicle safety over the years. I would imagine many cars that are 5-10 years old now probably rate much lower than they did at launch and I wouldn't worry about getting in those.

2) A significant part of the poor rating seems to have come from both its lack of autonomous safety systems (lane departure warning, night vision capable auto-braking etc) and its low score for impacts to external 3rd parties - probably not the main concern for internal passenger safety.

3) The bench mark just keeps getting higher (see above autonomous systems etc) and a modern day 3 star ANCAP is probably "safe enough". 

They got 3 stars in the latest EuroNCAP test round. In my view this isn't too poor as the recent testing has added autonomous safety features and pedestrian protection to the usual crash testing. This means that a 5 star car from a few years ago may now be much lower under the new testing. The media jumped on it unfairly in my view.

It's a small car with lots of airbags, abs, and a lot of safety features that the previous model never had.

Disclaimer: I bought one today and I love it.  

Disclaimer #2: It's my 5th Jimny so far. Might be addicted, help.

networkn:

 

You'd be insane to buy one in my view. I read about the appalling safety rating they got. 

 

They look cool, but I'll take a safe ugly car every day of the week.

 

It's a ladder chassis 4x4, not a monocoque SUV "crossover" vehicle.

If 3 stars is bad, then the "legendary" Jeep Wrangler only got 1 star.  I see plenty of those being driven to the supermarket, on school runs, navigating similar demanding courses.

networkn: Lol I wouldn't buy one of those either and just because it's popular doesn't mean a thing. Buy one, I couldn't care less.

I'm not buying one.  If you couldn't care less - why express your opinion with such enthusiasm?

There are so many NCAP 5-star cars around now I couldn't envisage ever buying one that isn't.  I think every car I've bought since 2003 has been 5-star.

Fred99:

 

networkn: Lol I wouldn't buy one of those either and just because it's popular doesn't mean a thing. Buy one, I couldn't care less.

 

I'm not buying one.  If you couldn't care less - why express your opinion with such enthusiasm?

 

Well, it seems amazing to me that any new car doesn't meet the standard. The cost for these features is relatively minor and in an accident, or God forbid you hit a pedestrian, they and you wouldn't likely have any qualms in parting ways with the difference in price.

Having said that, I won't lose any sleep if you (or others) buy one, it's your safety at the end of the day.

Fred99: If 3 stars is bad, then the "legendary" Jeep Wrangler only got 1 star.  I see plenty of those being driven to the supermarket, on school runs, navigating similar demanding courses.

Handle9:

Fred99: If 3 stars is bad, then the "legendary" Jeep Wrangler only got 1 star.  I see plenty of those being driven to the supermarket, on school runs, navigating similar demanding courses.

A Jeep Wrangler is justifiably legendary for driving on sand dunes in the middle east, especially with a lift kit. They really are great and very rarely get stuck.

For driving in traffic they're a bit sh*t.

Short wheelbase, wide tires and a light vehicle make for a good sand combination wherever you are!

The Jimny will be a great to have back, They are really aimed at the light commercial market, say farmers or contractors who may use them for spraying or however. The other end of the spectrum would be for recreational use say a boat launcher or maybe someone might use it as an offroader.

I do not think people will be using these for the school run, it is simply not for that. If they did then they are knowingly getting into something that they want specifically. No one here has any business in the safety rating and who uses it for why, Not sure why groups of people here exhibit authoritarian views over things in life that will never affect them. Maybe take up a hobby? Oh wait, you did and you ended up on an IT forum talking politics.... All I'm saying is don't get agitated.

shk292:

 

There are so many NCAP 5-star cars around now I couldn't envisage ever buying one that isn't.  I think every car I've bought since 2003 has been 5-star.

 

NCAP systems model expected outcomes based on lab tests.

OTOH there's "proven" based on real accident data.  Of course that has to be retrospective as you can't collate accident data for cars that have just been announced/released.  Real data also factors in driver behaviour, which you'd expect might vary depending on the type of car being driven.

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/52/3/1

There's a big discrepancy between NCAP ratings and real world outcomes.

Fred99:

 

NCAP systems model expected outcomes based on lab tests.

 

OTOH there's "proven" based on real accident data.  Of course that has to be retrospective as you can't collate accident data for cars that have just been announced/released.  Real data also factors in driver behaviour, which you'd expect might vary depending on the type of car being driven.

 

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/52/3/1

 

There's a big discrepancy between NCAP ratings and real world outcomes.

 

That report is very interesting reading - thanks.  The correlation between size and death rate is especially stark.  It makes you wonder about the wisdom of putting young people in small, cheap cars for their first few years as new drivers.  But, as you also point out, the death rates also include driver behaviour (and hence experience and attitude) - so cause and effect may become blurred.

But, for a given driver who isn't going to alter his behaviour according to choice of car, NCAP is arguably as good a guide as any.  And as pointed out above - safety is far from the only factor in choosing a vehicle.