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  # 2222668 23-Apr-2019 12:36
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dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

 

 

And I'm certainly not a fan of him either - he is sooooo annoying!

 

 


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  # 2222672 23-Apr-2019 12:58
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clevedon:

 

dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

 

 

And I'm certainly not a fan of him either - he is sooooo annoying!

 

 

 

 

Good comments about the reviewer:

 

  • The only thing more dangerous than a lack of knowledge is the illusion of knowledge.
  • This person is an example of oxygen waste!!
  • This guy must gave a million shares in Shell or BP I think
  • I'm embarrassed to be a fellow Australian after hearing your ignorant drivel. I assume you still think the Commodore & Falcon are good cars!

He sounds like a right douche...





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  # 2222720 23-Apr-2019 15:28
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Smix: ... + whatever the cost of a home charger is.

 

Do you really need a home charger?

 

I plug my 24kW Leaf in between 19:00 & 21:00 and it's fully charged by 05:00. Listening to other ppl talk, the home charger ( @ $1500 - $2500) only halves the charging time. Charging in 3-4hrs compared to 6-8hrs is not enough for me to spend the money. Then again, I also rent.





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  # 2222723 23-Apr-2019 15:36
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I too liked the PHEV Outlander, until I saw this:

 

 

Taken from https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mitsubishi/outlander-phev-2014/

 





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  # 2222727 23-Apr-2019 15:45
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dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

You beat me to it. I remembered this from about a year ago when we were considering a change.  Language and arrogance aside, I do like the way this guy cuts through the PC nonsense. Needless to say it wasn't a glowing endorsement of the Mitsi. 

 

   





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  # 2222736 23-Apr-2019 16:01
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ANglEAUT:

Smix: ... + whatever the cost of a home charger is.


Do you really need a home charger?


I plug my 24kW Leaf in between 19:00 & 21:00 and it's fully charged by 05:00. Listening to other ppl talk, the home charger ( @ $1500 - $2500) only halves the charging time. Charging in 3-4hrs compared to 6-8hrs is not enough for me to spend the money. Then again, I also rent.



No, having done more research I think we’d be fine with a standard plug overnight to charge.

Cheers again to everyone for your input. It’s pretty clear our initial thoughts were fundamentally flawed, but this is exactly why I posted here on GZ :)

I’ve seen enough to be no longer considering the 2019 PHEV so will focus on reading up on the Leaf.

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  # 2225681 26-Apr-2019 17:02
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ANglEAUT:

 

I too liked the PHEV Outlander, until I saw this:

 

 

Taken from https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mitsubishi/outlander-phev-2014/

 

 

 

Don't read too much into the above.

Really plug in hybrids should be advertised with three number:

 

  • Electric range
  • kWh/100km while running on electricity (Noting if the car will automatically kick to hybrid mode under heavy acceleration even if battery is full)
  • L/100km once battery is depleted (Hybrid mode)

Currently they are rated with a single L/100k or MPG figure assuming portion of electric running. This assumption is way out for many buyers. Those who rarely plug in will get way worse numbers, while those who regularly plug in and don't take long trips will get way better numbers.

Be careful with UK sourced real world economy numbers for the out-lander PHEV. Up until a very recent change in the UK the outlander PHEV got masses of tax benefits especially for businesses (GBP5,000 purchase subsidy, low VED, low Benefit in Kind rates - I don't know details). Long story short, a bunch of business worked out that these were a cost effective purchase vs a petrol / diesel equivalent and brought them, without the background effort required to support an electric (or plug in hybrid) car fleet.

Net result is when somebody is issued a Outlander PHEV as a company car, a fuel card, and a charge cord (but no way to claim back power costs from their house if they plug in at home, and no place to plug in at work) then the car is unlikely to ever be charged. Sounds like this situation is really common. Something we need to watch out for if plug in hybrid tax breaks happen here.


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  # 2225740 26-Apr-2019 18:00
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Smix:

No, having done more research I think we’d be fine with a standard plug overnight to charge.

Cheers again to everyone for your input. It’s pretty clear our initial thoughts were fundamentally flawed, but this is exactly why I posted here on GZ :)

I’ve seen enough to be no longer considering the 2019 PHEV so will focus on reading up on the Leaf.

 

Sadly upgrading to a brand new SUV is unlikely to ever be a good move for cashflow. This is especially true for Electric vehicles & plug in hybrids where depreciation is fierce due to rapidly improving technology. Consider somebody who brought a 2011 Nissan leaf for $70k in 2011. 8 years later it is would be worth $12-15k. The latest Nissan leaf e+ has a 60kWh battery, compared to the 24kWh available in 2011 (and roughly double the motor power too)...

If low depreciation is the goal, you would end up with a low spec twincab ute, or cheaper diesel 7 seater full frame 4wd (with low range) suv, i.e. toyota fortuner.

It is awesome that some people (including many on geekzone) are willing to be early adopters, but you really need to be drivers other than improving cash flow.

 

 

 

I would recommend you run evaluations of the following

- As you already plan to: adding a cheapish 24kwh leaf and keeping the out-lander for long trips. Perhaps consider the post mid cycle update (approx 2013) variant for better boot space. The value of a tired 2011 leaf has sat at aproxx $10k - $12.5k for about three years now, so future depreciation seems likely to be low. Little need for the 30kWh battery. If you are going to drive more than 100km without a charging opportunity just take the other car. If you currently have one car and two drivers (and parking spaces) this could be a nice outcome

 

- Consider selling the outlander (I think you would get $8.5k - $10.5k for it), and buy a 2012 or 2013 prius V or alpha (get the 5 seat one). They seem to sell for around $14k. The Prius V / alpha has massive interior space (better than my Lexus RX suv), and will use half the fuel of the outlander on long trips, and 1/3 to 1/4 in the city. With your current $6,000 a year fuel bill, you will pay back larger purchase price in fuel saving in under 18months, and be left with a 6 year newer and much cheaper to run car.

Dingbatt: I have vowed to never buy another petrol only vehicle and am researching replacing my Camry Hybrid. I took a Outlander PHEV for a test drive but found it very truck like in its handling. Obviously not a problem for the OP because they already drive one.
I also want to be able to tow a domestic trailer, which my Camry isn't rated to do. From my research the only hybrid vehicles that are rated to tow are the Outlander PHEV and the new Toyota RAV4, and the only BEV is the the Tesla Model X. So if the OP sees towing, even modest loads, in his future he may want to consider that. ...

 

Quite a few hybrids are rated to tow, just often not a lot. My older Lexus RX400h is rated for 1500kg braked. Below is a few I could think of


 

  • Current Camry hybrid: 400kg
  • New (unreleased) rav4 hybrid: 1500kg braked
  • Lexus IS hybrid: 750kg
  • Lexus NX hybrid: 1500kg
  • Lexus RX hybrid (current): 2000kg
  • Lexus GS hybrid: 1500kg
  • Volvo XC60 T8: 2100kg
  • Volvo XC90 T8: 2400kg
  • Audi Q8 TFSI (mild hybrid): 3500kg

 


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  # 2227650 29-Apr-2019 21:58
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dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

This is a very interesting review.  Anyone thinking of buying the Outlander PHEV should take the time to view his video & then decide for themselves...


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  # 2227712 30-Apr-2019 08:11
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amiga500:

 

dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

This is a very interesting review.  Anyone thinking of buying the Outlander PHEV should take the time to view his video & then decide for themselves...

 

 

Yeah his arrogance aside, some of the concepts he has talked about (eg how the cost versus payback stack up) align with some of the comments in this thread


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  # 2227717 30-Apr-2019 08:37
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Scott3: ..........


Quite a few hybrids are rated to tow, just often not a lot. My older Lexus RX400h is rated for 1500kg braked. Below is a few I could think of




  • Current Camry hybrid: 400kg

  • New (unreleased) rav4 hybrid: 1500kg braked

  • Lexus IS hybrid: 750kg

  • Lexus NX hybrid: 1500kg

  • Lexus RX hybrid (current): 2000kg

  • Lexus GS hybrid: 1500kg

  • Volvo XC60 T8: 2100kg

  • Volvo XC90 T8: 2400kg

  • Audi Q8 TFSI (mild hybrid): 3500kg


 



Yes, I must admit I was only really talking about new ‘affordable’ hybrids. All but the top two in the list above are in lotto win territory for me!
The ‘New’ RAV4 has been available for a couple of weeks.




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  # 2228027 30-Apr-2019 15:39
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amiga500:

dafman:

 

This reviewer is not a fan of the Outlander PHEV link here

 

 

This is a very interesting review.  Anyone thinking of buying the Outlander PHEV should take the time to view his video & then decide for themselves...

 

 

The first point in the video (economics) had some merit, although it used out of date Aussie vehicle and petrol prices. I agree it doesn't stack up on price, but that's just one factor among many for a vehicle purchase.

 

 

The other points, though ... full of invective, and not at all objective. It was littered with omission of relevant facts, cherry-picked data, and other blatant misuse of statistics.

 


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  # 2230741 4-May-2019 12:14
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Add the Kia Niro Hybrids to the list of those ‘affordable’ with a tow rating (600 unbraked 1300 braked).

Adding 7.34 kWh more battery adds 74kg and $12000 to the RRP for the plugin hybrid. And, of course, nominally 50km of electric range. Looking down the spec list the plugin, despite being given the limited tag has features like Apple CarPlay/Android Auto stripped out as well as the base model wheels, infotainment, etc. so by that reckoning the additional battery capacity is nearly $500 per kWh. It’s a shame what should be the most attractive variant (PHEV) is crippled spec-wise due to the high cost of batteries.
In my case, with a commute to work of just under 50km each way, and no recharge capability at work, the extra $12000 is hard to justify. For those with a shorter commute and/or the ability to charge at work, the ability to go days without using petrol may justify it.




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