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# 249193 30-Apr-2019 10:09
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Following a bad month on the roads where 45 people have died, the worst month on NZ roads since 2009, Greg Murphy is calling for changes.

 

One of those changes he is suggesting is that when you renew your drivers license, instead of just paying the fee and getting the license, you should have to resit both the practical and theory tests.

 

There is a story about it here:

 

https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/murph-reckons-motorists-should-resit-driver-s-test-every-decade

 

For those not on Facebook, his post is below (same that is linked in the AutoCar story)

 

"I think it is said that - "The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result". Well this is what we are doing here in NZ when it comes to road safety. The headlines again are focussed on a horrendous road crash that have killed 8 and will have impacted and changed the lives of so many more. How many people are going to have to die on our roads before the govt wakes up and focusses on the things that need the real attention.

 


The govt continues to talk about fixing roads and "Speed", yet is still the drivers of the vehicles that are getting it wrong and causing the carnage. With the amount of driving I do on NZ roads, Speed is not the big issue. A lot of the time it is the opposite - the amount of drivers that are driving at dangerously low speeds is concerning. "Drive to the conditions" is a phase used all the time, but how do you drive to the conditions if no one has ever explained or showed someone what that means or what to do?? We need much better education and driver training to create awareness around these things.

 

Putting up more median barriers throughout NZ will stop people from crossing the centre line, but it still won't stop people crashing - we can't prepare the roads for every possible scenario.

 

Distraction is without a doubt making our roads far more unsafe than what they were 10 - 15 years ago. People using their phones while driving is an epidemic and people are not abiding - it's time we got tough on this rather than continuing down the pathetic PC approach. I have been told (unconfirmed) that the Police have the ability to confiscate drivers phones if see using them while driving - if true, then this should be happening, if not true - it should be implemented!

 

We should all be forced to re-sit our drivers licences every 10 years at the max. The amount of bad habits and poor skills people who have had their licences for 10 - 15 - 20 - 40 years have, need to be addressed - retraining happens in so many different things in our lives, how come something that destroys so many lives only requires essentially a "one off" test for life - madness!

 

The condition of vehicles on the roads is another issue and what people know about their vehicles and what is safe needs attention and education.

 

I could go on and on and essentially repeat my thoughts from previous posts - Ground Hog Day - but if there is one thing to finish with - "Expect the unexpected every second you are driving and while driving - focus solely on Driving"

 

It's time for change that will make a difference!"

 

Greg was also interviewed on Ryan Bridge's Drive show on Radio Magic yesterday. If you wish, you can listen to that interview below

 

https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/04/how-can-we-reduce-road-deaths-.html

 

Having only held a full license for just under 10 years myself (despite being in my 40's), I know if i had to resit the test, there is a chance that I wouldn't pass first time.

 

 


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  # 2227803 30-Apr-2019 10:18
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As long as the test was adjusted to reflect the needs and reality of a (hopefully) semi-competent, older driver, I don't see a particular issue with it.

 

 

 

It should focus on Safe & courteous driving

 

     

  1. Driving to conditions
  2. Appropriate stopping distances/gaps
  3. Safe lane changes
  4. Proper usage of lanes (roundabouts, merging/splitting, traffic lights and junctions)
  5. Ability to drive within the speed limit and at an appropriate speed for the road and context
  6. Proper usage of signals/indicators & mirrors - understanding of blind-spots
  7. Understanding of Key, common signs and rules - Stop, Give Way, No stopping etc etc
  8. Basic Vehicle safety checks (tyres, bodywork, fluids etc)

 

It shouldn't waste too much (if any) time on parallel/reverse parking, reversing round corners, low speed manoeuvring and exhaustive knowledge of obscure signs and road code. 





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  # 2227807 30-Apr-2019 10:22
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Yes and no. Yes I would but I recently decided my disability was such that I considered it no longer safe to drive. 





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  # 2227810 30-Apr-2019 10:27
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MikeB4:

 

 I recently decided my disability was such that I considered it no longer safe to drive. 

 

 

 

 

If only more people were this self-aware...





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  # 2227814 30-Apr-2019 10:30
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I sit a driving test for my work every 5 years anyway so no issues at all with this.


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  # 2227816 30-Apr-2019 10:39
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As evidenced by driver behaviour in the presence of a police car or passing a speed camera, most if not all drivers are able to drive well enough to pass a recurrent test. The problem is the rest of time time when impatience, selfishness, arrogance and plain stupidity mean rules are ignored and risks taken.
I am in Oz for a few days, and while there is some random driving evident, on the whole it is of a higher standard than in NZ. For a nation with a similar psyche to NZ, the difference seems to be the level of enforcement, the penalties, and perhaps being able to sue.
There needs to be a change where bad driving brings shame rather than a case of “geez mate, you were unlucky to get caught”.




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  # 2227818 30-Apr-2019 10:39
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No,  this would just end up being another money grab by the govt/testing agencies and wont solve the road toll. Just my 5 cents worth. If I am unsafe to drive, then I will remove myself from the roads when the time comes.  


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  # 2227819 30-Apr-2019 10:40
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We target younger drivers, with the driving test getting harder and harder with each iteration on the understanding that younger people are higher risk and need to pass a test which requires quite a few hours of study to confirm they're competent enough to drive. We then target this driving demographic with driving ads about the dangers of driving with friends.

 

We target drunk drivers with random breath tests, anti drink driving advertising and targeting social behavior to look out for others who may be driving.

 

We target stoned drivers with stoned drink driving advertising.

 

And we target drivers on their cellphones with targeted advertising, and again social behavior around being on your phone while driving.

 

We target low-range speeding drivers (remember the guy going 108km/h with the "sorry mate I am going too fast" which was a pathetic attempt).

 

 

 

However what the police and society tends to turn a blind eye to is poor driving in general...

 

You know, those who don't look at their speedo and waver from 45 to 55km/h. "Because I've been driving for years, I don't need a speedo to tell me how fast I am going!"

 

Or those who cutting corners when turning. "More comfortable and I don't have to slow down"

 

Or those who deliberately speed through the orange light. "I'm in a hurry and don't want to wait!" Or "It was only red for a second"

 

Those who park their car over the pedestrian crossing at intersections. (as an aside this also causes lights to not realise you're there and not implement specific light sequences.)

 

Those who enter an intersection (except to turn right) and can't exit it due to backed up cars. 

 

Tailgating seems to be a national passtime, especially in Auckland.

 

 

 

And above it all, NONE of the current laws prohibiting this behaviour are enacted by vigilant policing.

 

Regular testing is good, but what about the rest of the ten years?

 

So yes, if this gains traction I am 100% for this as hopefully it will catch those pricks who think they are the best drivers in the world, but when push comes to shove in a stressful situation they'll fall back on old habits and fail.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2227820 30-Apr-2019 10:41
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Yes, I drove from Otaki to Napier and back on Sunday and saw four vehicles crossing the center line, three of which were people carriers, the other was a ute towing a car on a trailer !

 

All four were simply driving too fast into corners and under-steered into the other lane. Thankfully no traffic was coming the other way at the time because each one was on the open road at 100kph.

 

What I wondered with people carriers was how many are driven around cities with only 1 or 2 people in them and how many of the drivers are aware of the changes in dynamics when they have 6/7 people in them at 100kph ?

 

I notice a significant difference in our car simply with two people in the back seat.




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  # 2227821 30-Apr-2019 10:42
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In the interview with Ryan Bridge, Greg mentioned the idea of retesting was discussed a few years ago with the Government of the time, but it wasn't going to be popular with voters, therefore it didn't proceed.

 

Retesting won't prevent stupid behavior, distractions or driver fatigue. It might make people more aware, but won't prevent it.


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  # 2227822 30-Apr-2019 10:43
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Mandatory 3rd party insurance pricing young and new drivers out of buying a $10k modded WRX STI with 400+ HP as soon as they pass their test wouldn't hurt either...





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  # 2227826 30-Apr-2019 10:45
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Yes

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  # 2227827 30-Apr-2019 10:46
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richrdh18:

 

 If I am unsafe to drive, then I will remove myself from the roads when the time comes.  

 

 

 

 

That doesn't work though as people are not the best judge of their own driving ability. Most utterly dismal drivers would be very surprised to learn that they are the hazard on the road and not just everyone else...





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  # 2227829 30-Apr-2019 10:48
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As long as the test was adjusted to reflect the needs and reality of a (hopefully) semi-competent, older driver, I don't see a particular issue with it.


 


It should focus on Safe & courteous driving



  1. Driving to conditions

  2. Appropriate stopping distances/gaps

  3. Safe lane changes

  4. Proper usage of lanes (roundabouts, merging/splitting, traffic lights and junctions)

  5. Ability to drive within the speed limit and at an appropriate speed for the road and context

  6. Proper usage of signals/indicators & mirrors - understanding of blind-spots

  7. Understanding of Key, common signs and rules - Stop, Give Way, No stopping etc etc

  8. Basic Vehicle safety checks (tyres, bodywork, fluids etc)


It shouldn't waste too much (if any) time on parallel/reverse parking, reversing round corners, low speed manoeuvring and exhaustive knowledge of obscure signs and road code. 



The 10 yearly retest (if implemented) Should be exactly the same test as the full license test, combined with the learner theory test. As an older driver (let's assume someone who is 50 years old). Might have last done a driving test 30+ years ago in a small town. But they might have only obtained their license more recently (I know someone in their early 60s who didnt have any license at all 10 years ago, and who now has their full license). Or they might have recently moved to NZ, and converted their overseas license to an NZ license.

The whole point of retesting is to set a min standard for all drivers in NZ. Since the full license test is regarded as the required standard for a new driver. Then all drivers should have to meet that same standard.

But maybe there should be a grace period for those who initially fail the retest. To resit the test without losing the right to drive in the meantime.







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  # 2227831 30-Apr-2019 10:48
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Mandatory 3rd party insurance pricing young and new drivers out of buying a $10k modded WRX STI with 400+ HP as soon as they pass their test wouldn't hurt either...

 

 

Yep. Agreed. I think parts of Australia have similar laws as to what you're allowed to drive depending on your license.


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  # 2227832 30-Apr-2019 10:49
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More Police, or resurrect the Black and Whites. Police whose sole function is road traffic policing. There are simply not enough of them.

 

As said above, most people will be able to pass a one in ten year test, as everyone drives well around a marked police car or speed camera.

 

The fines aren't big enough, the penalties not severe enough.


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