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  #2534147 3-Aug-2020 22:11
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RobDickinson:

 

The information I've seen is that fossil fuels contribute massively to global warming and local pollution. I can if I bother too find about a million studies that say just that with evidence and science to back them up.

 

 

 

Good luck on waiting for an EV wagon, MG are making one but its not particularly high performance, its a small part of a small market these days, Audi might do one in 5 or 10 years.

 

 

Yeah, I agree it's a small market, as is the performance wagon in ICE too, but that doesn't mean I don't want one. The S is the closest thing I can find, but I am concerned it's not comparable to my current S series which has adaptive suspension and steering, both which are important to me. I know the S has air suspension, but like anything, it's how it's "executed" that matters I guess.

 

The new Mustang EV looks awesome, would probably have done the the trick, but are you kidding me with 8 seconds to 100? :)

 

 


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  #2534148 3-Aug-2020 22:13
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I am driving an X for the past 2 years. If you are in Auckland, please feel free to message me and I can catch up and show you and explain all you want about my specific model or in general. My daily commute is from manukau to cbd and back.

I know a person that owns a 3 but he is a busy driver and not sure he will be available.

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  #2534194 3-Aug-2020 22:49
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networkn:

 

I think the tone a lot comes from the overarching superiority that a lot of EV owners feel they are entitled to, and it sucks the oxygen from the discussion. Not everyone displays it, but it's pretty offputting. It's pretty much impossible to have anything negative to say about EV's/Teslas without getting shouted down.

 

An EV won't suit or isn't suitable for everyone and that should be OK.

 

If someone asking genuine questions about the suitability of EV for *them*, or in general annoys people, then those people should just opt to say nothing in my view.

 

I'd really like to chat with someone who has an S and who drives it regularly in a spirited manner. Is this more of a general Tesla discussion thread? I don't see a discussion on the S.

 

 

 

 

Yes, there are still negatives to the current EV options when comparing to ICE equivalents for certain tasks. Off roading and long distance towing are two that I can think of at the moment. Tesla itself has their own issues that they need to do better with. However, I think some context is needed when talking about these issues. It does annoy me a bit when people claim "Tesla has major reliability issues" when they're referring to the age old paint and panel gaps complaint. No, paint and panel gaps aren't something I think are non-issues but I also don't think they're the end of the world either, especially when the company does take care of them post-delivery. I'm more inclined to judge them on the bigger things, like the reliability and assembly of the drive train; things that can leave me stranded if done wrong. 

 

If the Model S is something you are interested in buying then the NZ Tesla Owners group might be worth checking out. There are quite a number of Model S owners who would be happy to answer your questions on the car and I'm sure even some that would be willing to let you take a look at their car. However, if you're in Auckland then Tesla should be able to give you a test drive of one - you might even be able to take it overnight depending on how booked it is.




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  #2534196 3-Aug-2020 23:06
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Yes, there are still negatives to the current EV options when comparing to ICE equivalents for certain tasks. Off roading and long distance towing are two that I can think of at the moment. Tesla itself has their own issues that they need to do better with. However, I think some context is needed when talking about these issues. It does annoy me a bit when people claim "Tesla has major reliability issues" when they're referring to the age old paint and panel gaps complaint. No, paint and panel gaps aren't something I think are non-issues but I also don't think they're the end of the world either, especially when the company does take care of them post-delivery. I'm more inclined to judge them on the bigger things, like the reliability and assembly of the drive train; things that can leave me stranded if done wrong. 

 

If the Model S is something you are interested in buying then the NZ Tesla Owners group might be worth checking out. There are quite a number of Model S owners who would be happy to answer your questions on the car and I'm sure even some that would be willing to let you take a look at their car. However, if you're in Auckland then Tesla should be able to give you a test drive of one - you might even be able to take it overnight depending on how booked it is.

 

 

Thanks, I'll go and see about the Telsa Owners Group.


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  #2534197 3-Aug-2020 23:11
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networkn:

 

I'd really like to chat with someone who has an S and who drives it regularly in a spirited manner. Is this more of a general Tesla discussion thread? I don't see a discussion on the S.

 

 

The Model S is not a BMW 3 series equivalent. It is more of a high way cruiser. Don't think you would be very happy with it on windy small roads if you expected it to behave like a BMW 3 Series. If that is what you want, you probably want to look at the Model 3 performance model or the Model Y performance, when it becomes available in NZ.

 

If you have the money, I am sure a Porsche Taycan Turbo S (EV) might be what you are looking for, even though it is not a wagon.


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  #2534199 3-Aug-2020 23:36
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jarledb:

 

networkn:

 

I'd really like to chat with someone who has an S and who drives it regularly in a spirited manner. Is this more of a general Tesla discussion thread? I don't see a discussion on the S.

 

 

The Model S is not a BMW 3 series equivalent. It is more of a high way cruiser. Don't think you would be very happy with it on windy small roads if you expected it to behave like a BMW 3 Series. If that is what you want, you probably want to look at the Model 3 performance model or the Model Y performance, when it becomes available in NZ.

 

If you have the money, I am sure a Porsche Taycan Turbo S (EV) might be what you are looking for, even though it is not a wagon.

 

 

Thanks, that is a useful insight. A Model 3 doesn't have the boot capacity. I am unsure about the Y but estimates indicate a long wait for Kiwis at this stage?

 

I had a feeling based on the S being pretty heavy compared to the BMW 3 Series, it may not be as nimble.

 

Taycan looks lovely, way way outside of budget sadly :)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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I would say the S is more like a 5 or 7 series. It's more of a land yacht. 

 

Still, it can't hurt to go for an extended test drive with one and see how that compares with what idea you have in your mind. Understand that if you're considering a second hand model that the suspension in the newer cars (and thus most likely the demo model) has been improved in the last year so might not be the same feel you'll get from the older cars. If you're intending on buying new well, there's also fresh rumours that the S & X are about to undergo a refresh with the introduction of the Plaid configuration.

 

If you're still curious about the 3 then I'd be happy to show you mine but I think from memory you've already taken one for a test drive so that's probably not much help to you. In all honesty, it sounds like the Model Y would be the best fit for you but unfortunately we're not likely to see that until the end of next year.




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networkn:

The new Mustang EV looks awesome, would probably have done the the trick, but are you kidding me with 8 seconds to 100? :)



Maybe that'll change. Frankly a neighbor, who shares a driveway with me, has a 1960's V8 car, and I know every time he comes and goes. At least it's not a Harley.

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  #2534229 4-Aug-2020 08:20
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networkn:

 

I think the tone a lot comes from the overarching superiority that a lot of EV owners feel they are entitled to, and it sucks the oxygen from the discussion.

 

 

 

 

At this point I am just going to dismiss you as a troll.

 

 

 

The only person in this thread with a bad attitude is yourself, asking for then instantly either dismissing or ignoring any information presented, then handwaving some story you heard somewhere as just as valid, plus arguing every stupid point the anti ev brigade can dream up even though its all bs. 

 

 

 

i'm only surprised you haven't talked aboujt towing a boat 1800km without breaks yet.


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I think the tone a lot comes from the overarching superiority that a lot of EV owners feel they are entitled to, and it sucks the oxygen from the discussion. Not everyone displays it, but it's pretty offputting. It's pretty much impossible to have anything negative to say about EV's/Teslas without getting shouted down.

 

An EV won't suit or isn't suitable for everyone and that should be OK.

 

If someone asking genuine questions about the suitability of EV for *them*, or in general annoys people, then those people should just opt to say nothing in my view.

 

I'd really like to chat with someone who has an S and who drives it regularly in a spirited manner. Is this more of a general Tesla discussion thread? I don't see a discussion on the S.

 

 

Yes I have an S - feel free to DM me.

 

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networkn:

 

I think the tone a lot comes from the overarching superiority that a lot of EV owners feel they are entitled to, and it sucks the oxygen from the discussion.

 

 

 

 

At this point I am just going to dismiss you as a troll.

 

 

 

The only person in this thread with a bad attitude is yourself, asking for then instantly either dismissing or ignoring any information presented, then handwaving some story you heard somewhere as just as valid, plus arguing every stupid point the anti ev brigade can dream up even though its all bs. 

 

 

 

i'm only surprised you haven't talked aboujt towing a boat 1800km without breaks yet.

 

 

I don't see the bad attitude you see, I see someone trying to get unbiased information. Someone who has bothered to find out the pros and cons rather than looking solely through rose tinted spectacles. Assuming Networkn has a bad attitude then based on this post there looks like there could be two with a bad attitude.





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  #2534797 4-Aug-2020 20:25
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networkn:

 

I apologise, my tone probably reflected what I have felt is an overarching judgy (If you don't buy an EV you are stupid/don't care about the planet) vibe I often sense in this thread (and other EV threads too). I apologise if I misread.

 

I would be keen to see what evidence you used to make your decision, thank you. Part of what makes it a bit more difficult from my perspective, is that the car I want doesn't exist (high performance EV Wagon). I keep wondering, if I just buy something else and hope what I want is available next time around.

 

The information I had seen recently (though I can't find it right now), is that the size battery the Tesla S uses, cost the same in CO2 emissions as an ICE vehicle would use in it's first 130K+ of KM's driven (Sorry, the exact numbers I can't find this second). Obviously, this doesn't account for the extra KM's after this, but it was a surprise to me. I guess short of a bike, there will be a compromise to make. Oil is dirty to extract and transport, and obviously in NZ we do use a fair amount of renewable energy too, but ICE vehicles get more and more efficient all the time as well.

 

 

 

 

I appreciate you coming back with this post.

 

 

 

I hope I will get together the information that I referred to this weekend and will post it here.I know it is easy to be skeptical about what governments may announce but I quote the fact that there are quite a number that have announced that they are phasing out ICE cars just to provide support to the probability that the evidence stacks up in favour of moving to EVs. There is very likely to have been considerable research go into the advice given to many governments on this matter before they made the decision to make such an announcement. 


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networkn:

 

I apologise, my tone probably reflected what I have felt is an overarching judgy (If you don't buy an EV you are stupid/don't care about the planet) vibe I often sense in this thread (and other EV threads too). I apologise if I misread.

 

I would be keen to see what evidence you used to make your decision, thank you. Part of what makes it a bit more difficult from my perspective, is that the car I want doesn't exist (high performance EV Wagon). I keep wondering, if I just buy something else and hope what I want is available next time around.

 

The information I had seen recently (though I can't find it right now), is that the size battery the Tesla S uses, cost the same in CO2 emissions as an ICE vehicle would use in it's first 130K+ of KM's driven (Sorry, the exact numbers I can't find this second). Obviously, this doesn't account for the extra KM's after this, but it was a surprise to me. I guess short of a bike, there will be a compromise to make. Oil is dirty to extract and transport, and obviously in NZ we do use a fair amount of renewable energy too, but ICE vehicles get more and more efficient all the time as well.

 

 

 

 

Audi e Tron S has just recently been announced. I haven't heard of\looked into a NZ release date.

 

The standard Audi e Tron is already available in NZ.

 

Not a true wagon, but the ones I've seen around aren't the usual ICE SUV ride height either.


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networkn:

 

I apologise, my tone probably reflected what I have felt is an overarching judgy (If you don't buy an EV you are stupid/don't care about the planet) vibe I often sense in this thread (and other EV threads too). I apologise if I misread.

 

I would be keen to see what evidence you used to make your decision, thank you. Part of what makes it a bit more difficult from my perspective, is that the car I want doesn't exist (high performance EV Wagon). I keep wondering, if I just buy something else and hope what I want is available next time around.

 

The information I had seen recently (though I can't find it right now), is that the size battery the Tesla S uses, cost the same in CO2 emissions as an ICE vehicle would use in it's first 130K+ of KM's driven (Sorry, the exact numbers I can't find this second). Obviously, this doesn't account for the extra KM's after this, but it was a surprise to me. I guess short of a bike, there will be a compromise to make. Oil is dirty to extract and transport, and obviously in NZ we do use a fair amount of renewable energy too, but ICE vehicles get more and more efficient all the time as well.

 

 

 

 

If interested, the YouTube channel of Harry's Garage has reviewed recently a bit more on the EV v PHEV. To date, he's done real world reviews on:

 

- Mini Cooper E

 

- Tesla Model 3 Performance

 

- BMW X5 45e PHEV

 

- Jaguar I Pace

 

- Range Rover P400e PHEV

 

All worth a watch if you have the time

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/Harrysgarage/videos

 

 


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  #2535128 5-Aug-2020 13:28
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At this point I am just going to dismiss you as a troll.

 

 

I'm sorry to hear that. I am sure going to miss your insightful, unbiased and most of all, pleasant contributions to my questions.

 

 


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