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  #2254324 8-Jun-2019 14:19
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amiga500:

That crane was designed for servicing & replacing bits on very tall oil rigs.



Tall or deep? The crane is a TTS Active Heave Compensated crane for lifting underwater objects in moving water.



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  #2254436 8-Jun-2019 15:57
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Jase2985:

 

amiga500:

 

Jase2985:

 

@amiga500 what do you do for a job?

 

 

An unpaid Defence Analyst & you?

 

 

so given you are a "defense analysis" surely you should know what the ship is going to be used for, and what capabilities it brings to the defense force and government?

 

because your posts make it clear you havent the foggiest

 

as for what i do, lets just say i know a hell of a lot more about this topic than you do.

 

amiga500:

 

O.K.  Here is the photo...   It's blatantly obvious that this view was chosen to make the crane look less dominating.

 

and what about the other 4-5 renders the defence force released? showing both sides of the ship and views from the back?

 

you cant pick and choose things to fit your arguement

 

 

The photo I posted is the one view I saw when I searched on Google.   The other four may be there but I didn't see them!


 
 
 
 




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  #2254439 8-Jun-2019 16:01
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amiga500:

 

That crane was designed for servicing & replacing bits on very tall oil rigs.



Tall or deep? The crane is a TTS Active Heave Compensated crane for lifting underwater objects in moving water.

 

Wow!   That capability seems very niche to me.   Maybe would have been handy in recovery of the Niagara's gold bars... but somehow we managed.




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  #2254440 8-Jun-2019 16:14
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Jase2985:

 

as for the crane the somewhat subject of your argument, which is about a very small fraction of what the ship will be used for

 

50t @ 16m on single part
100t @ 10 m on double part
Max 20 t @ 27 m

 

more than capable of lifting a LAV, but why would you want/need too? you have Canterbury for taking those sort of loads, and the crane is capable of lifting containers as is the deck capable of accepting them. so more than suitable for an advanced party for disaster relief before the cavalry arrives in the form of Canterbury

 

a Holden commodore was designed for transporting people around in comfort while providing decent luggage space, yet they race it successfully on the race track.... things can be designed for one job yet do another job perfectly fine.

 

 

Yet the crane absolutely dominates the whole ship & as you say will be used once in a blue moon.   It's a specialist vessel that we got for a good price because few other buyers around the World could figure out a usage case.  


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  #2254457 8-Jun-2019 17:30
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amiga500:

Jase2985:


amiga500:


Jase2985:


@amiga500 what do you do for a job?



An unpaid Defence Analyst & you?



so given you are a "defense analysis" surely you should know what the ship is going to be used for, and what capabilities it brings to the defense force and government?


because your posts make it clear you havent the foggiest


as for what i do, lets just say i know a hell of a lot more about this topic than you do.


amiga500:


O.K.  Here is the photo...   It's blatantly obvious that this view was chosen to make the crane look less dominating.


and what about the other 4-5 renders the defence force released? showing both sides of the ship and views from the back?


you cant pick and choose things to fit your arguement



The photo I posted is the one view I saw when I searched on Google.   The other four may be there but I didn't see them!



So you jumped to the conclusion that there was one photo and that the angle from which it was taken was cynically and deliberately chosen - to hide the crane?




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  #2254464 8-Jun-2019 17:44
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eracode: So you jumped to the conclusion that there was one photo and that the angle from which it was taken was cynically and deliberately chosen - to hide the crane?

 

 

Well, no!   But there is no denying the front view is prettier than the rear view.


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  #2254466 8-Jun-2019 17:49
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amiga500:

 

Jase2985:

 

as for the crane the somewhat subject of your argument, which is about a very small fraction of what the ship will be used for

 

50t @ 16m on single part
100t @ 10 m on double part
Max 20 t @ 27 m

 

more than capable of lifting a LAV, but why would you want/need too? you have Canterbury for taking those sort of loads, and the crane is capable of lifting containers as is the deck capable of accepting them. so more than suitable for an advanced party for disaster relief before the cavalry arrives in the form of Canterbury

 

a Holden commodore was designed for transporting people around in comfort while providing decent luggage space, yet they race it successfully on the race track.... things can be designed for one job yet do another job perfectly fine.

 

 

Yet the crane absolutely dominates the whole ship & as you say will be used once in a blue moon.   It's a specialist vessel that we got for a good price because few other buyers around the World could figure out a usage case.  

 

 

and based on the information that you have read do you know what the navy has done to it since they got it? im guessing not.

 

it was a specialized vessel, its now a lot lot more versatile for what the defense force wants and needs the vessel for, yes it has a large crane but its still a bloody handy thing to have.

 

my i ask you stop posting your un-researched and completely wrong post about this topic. its painful.


 
 
 
 


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  #2254468 8-Jun-2019 17:50
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amiga500:

 

 

 

Well, no!   But there is no denying the front view is prettier than the rear view.

 

 

if you havent noticed most ships are like that


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  #2254507 8-Jun-2019 19:26
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Like others have said HADR is primarliary done by the HMNZS Canterbury.. This ship is also allocated to the wider defence community like police and customs.
Its a multi purpose ship and again great to see the MoD making smart choices these days.. Orion upgrades to the P8, This ship and hopefully a smart choice on the replacement Herc.

 

@amiga500 - Whats your thoughts on the new HMNZS Aotearoa?




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  #2254516 8-Jun-2019 19:54
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Like others have said HADR is primarliary done by the HMNZS Canterbury.. This ship is also allocated to the wider defence community like police and customs.
Its a multi purpose ship and again great to see the MoD making smart choices these days.. Orion upgrades to the P8, This ship and hopefully a smart choice on the replacement Herc.

 

@amiga500 - Whats your thoughts on the new HMNZS Aotearoa?

 

 

It appears to be a very capable vessel.


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  #2254534 8-Jun-2019 20:28
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amiga500:

 

ResponseMediaNZ:

 

Like others have said HADR is primarily done by the HMNZS Canterbury. This ship is also allocated to the wider defence community like police and customs.
It's a multi-purpose ship and again great to see the MoD making smart choices these days.. Orion upgrades to the P8, This ship and hopefully a smart choice on the replacement Herc.

 

@amiga500 - What's your thoughts on the new HMNZS Aotearoa?

 

 

It appears to be a very capable vessel.

 



Interesting.. but you are just contradicting that by saying the HMNZS Manawanui2 isn't. Both vessels have ticked all the boxes for both checklists for their classes.. 

HMNZS Manawanui2 is very capable and fit for purpose as a Dive/Hydrographic ship that has ROV and Lift Capabilities.

In your first comment you mention the HMNZS Charles Upham and yes that was a rather interesting ship but don't always believe what google and wiki says about it..  that was one "bad" purchase.


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Looks like a very versatile ship suited to New Zealands needs.
I wonder what the contraption coming out the side is for?




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"Volstad Surveyor", designated ST-253, is an advanced ROV survey vessel built at C.N.P Freire S.A., Spain, yard no. 701 for owner Volstad Shipping, Norway. It was delivered in 2010.

The vessel is specially designed to operate in severe weather conditions and with excellent maneuverability and station keeping capabilities.

This vessel is outfitted and prepared for the following duties:

ROV operations like pipeline/route surveys
IMR (Inspection, Maintenance & Repair)
Sub-sea installation works
Geo-technical surveys
Light construction works
Crane operations

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  #2254623 8-Jun-2019 21:34
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@amiga500 I have just edited a wall of text with an unnecessarily long quote. It's against the FUG. I will remove your posts in the future if this happens again.





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  #2254635 8-Jun-2019 21:53
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Kickinbac: .
I wonder what the contraption coming out the side is for?

 

ROV :)


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  #2254641 8-Jun-2019 22:16
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Kickinbac: .
I wonder what the contraption coming out the side is for?


ROV :)



So it’s a craddle for the ROV!

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