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  # 2254879 9-Jun-2019 16:03
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The Te Mana and Te Kaha have all the armament they need for the tasks that are asked of them.

 

 

Well they might now, not so much on delivery!   You get the ship then build a case for the add-ons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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amiga500:

 

Torque: The previous two posters have covered off on your question; I would suggest having a read of the available materiel on the internet (not just Wikipedia, Janes Fighting Ships perhaps, Navy Today, RNZN website) to further increase your knowledge.

 

From what I have read it seems that on delivery the NZ ANZACs only had 2 x 12.7-millimetre (0.50 in) machine guns for close in defence.  They may well have or be in the process of getting more capabilities, but I am thinking of the anti piracy role.

 

 

You have obviously not read sufficiently extensively

 

amiga500:

 

If pirates in small fast boats saw a ship with one big gun plus highly visible light cannons/heavy machine guns it would deter them from attacking.  Plus it would protect the ship when engaged in these operations.   It is all very well to have systems to deal with in-coming missiles but in the anti-piracy role the danger may come from heavy machine guns & grenade launchers & rifles of various types.   In this scenario any ship with radar and plenty of guns would be just as effective as a state of the art frigate.

 

These guys who do piracy probably don't give a toss about anti missile systems but they sure know what a big machine gun on a Toyota looks like!   And that is what they need to see on our warships.

 

 

You mean like this one?

 

"The ... Phalanx is a 6 barrelled radar controlled 20mm machine gun that can fire up to 75 rounds of hardened steel bullets a second (4500 per minute).  ... TE MANA’s Phalanx was upgraded in 2010 to improve its fire-control system, giving it the ability to target fast-moving surface targets, such as speedboats ..."
NZ Navy press release from 2011

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2254891 9-Jun-2019 16:32
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amiga500:

Torque: The previous two posters have covered off on your question; I would suggest having a read of the available materiel on the internet (not just Wikipedia, Janes Fighting Ships perhaps, Navy Today, RNZN website) to further increase your knowledge.


From what I have read it seems that on delivery the NZ ANZACs only had 2 x 12.7-millimetre (0.50 in) machine guns for close in defence.  They may well have or be in the process of getting more capabilities, but I am thinking of the anti piracy role.


If pirates in small fast boats saw a ship with one big gun plus highly visible light cannons/heavy machine guns it would deter them from attacking.  Plus it would protect the ship when engaged in these operations.   It is all very well to have systems to deal with in-coming missiles but in the anti-piracy role the danger may come from heavy machine guns & grenade launchers & rifles of various types.   In this scenario any ship with radar and plenty of guns would be just as effective as a state of the art frigate.


These guys who do piracy probably don't give a toss about anti missile systems but they sure know what a big machine gun on a Toyota looks like!   And that is what they need to see on our warships.


 



I’m sure our Navy doesn’t need to worry about 50 cals on the back of Toyotas.

If you are referring to anti-piracy patrols, I suspect that any pirate would head in the opposite direction as soon as they see a warship. They are after merchant shipping that they can board and then demand ransoms.

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  # 2254920 9-Jun-2019 17:55
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@Torque: The previous two posters have covered off on your question; I would suggest having a read of the available materiel on the internet (not just Wikipedia, Janes Fighting Ships perhaps, Navy Today, RNZN website) to further increase your knowledge.

 

i think thats fighting an uphill battle, they have clearly proven they are unwilling to do that.


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  # 2254931 9-Jun-2019 18:36
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amiga500:

 

Well they might now, not so much on delivery!   You get the ship then build a case for the add-ons.

 

 

 

 

Are you now arguing about the specifications on fitout?!

 

 

Suffice to say both frigates are suitably armed to deal with pirates (with weapons systems like you think they need to have, albeit not ones I've ever seen mounted on the back of a ute in a civil war), as per publicly available data.

 

 

Here is a fact sheet, circa early 2018

 

 

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  # 2254942 9-Jun-2019 19:39
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Torque:
amiga500:

Well they might now, not so much on delivery!   You get the ship then build a case for the add-ons.


 



Are you now arguing about the specifications on fitout?!

Suffice to say both frigates are suitably armed to deal with pirates (with weapons systems like you think they need to have, albeit not ones I've ever seen mounted on the back of a ute in a civil war), as per publicly available data.

Here is a fact sheet, circa early 2018

@Jase2985 I am trying :|


To give amiga500 his dues, I have seen a DSHK mounted on the back of a hilux ute (and as brilliant an idea is it is, you probably won't see it in any official Toyota ad!)

However, that's about the end of anything they have said that has a shred of accuracy.

Amiga500, I hate to break this to you, but the .50cal machine guns you are referring to on Her Majesty's tin boats are, by nearly any actual authority on the matter, classed as heavy machine guns - just google Browning M2 if you would like to know more. Now, I can see where your confusion might be - "point five oh" may normally ring bells in your mind about Vinne Jones and his friend "Desert Eagle" but believe me, it also comes in a longer version! 12.7 x 99 to be exact! I'll grant you, it's not as big as the DSHK at 12.7 x 108 and as we're obviously arguing on the internet, mm's do matter! I can assure you however, despite being shy 9mm in over all length, that the M2 is just as capable a heavy machine gun as you will find - there's a reason it's been in use since WW1 with very few changes...

Rest easy in knowing that if the pirates ever watch Top Gear and get the idea to make their Hilux's amphibious, this country's Senior Service has got it covered.

As an aside though, have you every considered joining, @Amiga500? You've managed to create five pages of conversation about something which you know nothing of, and yet profess to be an expert at - you would make the perfect officer! I kid you knot, there are commissioned men who would kill to have your ability to baffle enlisted men with the bull you're dealing! ;)



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  # 2254943 9-Jun-2019 19:47
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O.K. so if the Phalanx decides to malfunction what happens then with an attack from the stern?   And the bow seems to have one big gun & that's it.   Anyway I am leaving this thread alone from now on.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2254946 9-Jun-2019 19:57
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O.K. so if the Phalanx decides to malfunction what happens then with an attack from the stern?   And the bow seems to have one big gun & that's it.   Anyway I am leaving this thread alone from now on.



Out so soon? But the Navy were planning to make you the assistant navigator under supervision! And there are the planning exercises not involving sailors that need your attention too!

To answer your question, a) the boat can turn and b) the fifties aren't fixed...

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  # 2254954 9-Jun-2019 20:36
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O.K. so if the Phalanx decides to malfunction what happens then with an attack from the stern?   And the bow seems to have one big gun & that's it.   Anyway I am leaving this thread alone from now on.



I’m sure Donald Trump will send the US Navy to protect us.

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  # 2254964 9-Jun-2019 21:14
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O.K. so if the Phalanx decides to malfunction what happens then with an attack from the stern?   And the bow seems to have one big gun & that's it.   Anyway I am leaving this thread alone from now on.

 

 

dont leave so soon.

 

Theres more than 2 50 cal. infact if you look hard at the picture you can see 6 mounted, 2 as mini typhoon on the bridge top (remote controlled 50 cal's), 2 are mounted midships on the top deck, and 2 are mounted right down the back by the CIWS, at 3o'clock and 8 o'clock on the circle on the image posted above.


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  # 2255241 10-Jun-2019 13:17
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O.K. so if the Phalanx decides to malfunction what happens then with an attack from the stern?   And the bow seems to have one big gun & that's it.   Anyway I am leaving this thread alone from now on.

 

 

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Ge0rge: To give amiga500 his dues, I have seen a DSHK mounted on the back of a hilux ute (and as brilliant an idea is it is, you probably won't see it in any official Toyota ad!)

 

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  # 2259230 16-Jun-2019 19:10
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@amiga500

 

just an update, here is a video which might show you a bit more about what the ship is about, its a 360deg video:

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=306203713617301

 

 

 

 


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  # 2259277 16-Jun-2019 23:17
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@amiga500


just an update, here is a video which might show you a bit more about what the ship is about, its a 360deg video:


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=306203713617301


 


 



This is very informative. The navy has bought a very capable ship. Will be interesting to hear what it gets up to. Maybe they should go looking for MH370.

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