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  # 2359800 23-Nov-2019 18:12
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Geektastic:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

Geektastic:

 

Most people who but a Ute for actual work are going to want 4wd and aren't going to buy it based on economics unless it can be made to compare financially with the current vehicles they buy.

Tradesmen and farmers aren't poseurs buying Chelsea Tractors for the school run.



 

Anecdotally I don’t think this is correct. Most tradesmen wouldn’t need 4WD, and probably a fair percentage of farmers don’t need it either. Both groups would spend what they need. I reckon the sales statistics bear reflect this anecdote.

 

i reckon 4WD are preferred by a fair percentage of farmers, and outdoors lifestylers who spend a bit of time off-road, towing boats, and the like.

 

I don’t think anyone gets a ute for the school run.

 

 

 

 

Anecdotally or not, almost every tradesman round here drives a 4WD ute, so does every farmer and the farm staff.

 

 

 

Your anecdote may be correct in Auckland, it is not correct in the actual working countryside.

 

 

 

 

Historically I think that was partly because the 4WD ones were higher off the ground, so there was more ground clearance, but 4WD for towing and steep/rough conditions also helps some. Also they look tougher and more intimating being higher off the ground. But the newer models seem to be almost as high these days. I suspect there are more tradies and commercial buyers of utes than just farmers these days, so they wouldn't have the need for 4WD. Bu this electric one will probably not suit farm much


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  # 2359835 23-Nov-2019 20:20
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Theres no way this makes it to NZ at <80k, the Model 3 is 20k NZD more expensive than US pricing and barely qualifies


 
 
 
 


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  # 2359843 23-Nov-2019 20:46
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Love how out there it is.

 

Don't care if others think it's ugly - eye of the beholder and all that.

 

Also CBF guessing who will buy it.

 

Hope it makes it here as I would love to see it in the flesh.

 

And I am constantly in awe of how far Elon is wiling to push things.

 

 


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  # 2359858 23-Nov-2019 21:52
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loceff13:

Theres no way this makes it to NZ at <80k, the Model 3 is 20k NZD more expensive than US pricing and barely qualifies



US$39,990 will be less than NZ$80k provided the relative value of the currencies remains the same or better.....and the price isn't increased.




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  # 2359867 23-Nov-2019 22:39
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loceff13:

Theres no way this makes it to NZ at <80k, the Model 3 is 20k NZD more expensive than US pricing and barely qualifies



Model 3 is $75990 here with the base model retailing for $39490 in the US.

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  # 2359874 23-Nov-2019 23:28
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First thought was that it was really ugly. But its growing on me.

 

That said, waaaaaaay too big. The thing matches a Hummer H1. That's not a city car...





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  # 2359875 23-Nov-2019 23:31
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First thought was that it was really ugly. But its growing on me.


That said, waaaaaaay too big. The thing matches a Hummer H1. That's not a city car...



True. It's a truck. ;-)

For what it's worth, many of the bigger Utes I've seen around aren't much use in the city. Too long. Too high. Too wide.




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  # 2359982 24-Nov-2019 09:57
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jarledb:

 

First thought was that it was really ugly. But its growing on me.

 

That said, waaaaaaay too big. The thing matches a Hummer H1. That's not a city car...

 

 

 

 

Yes due to its size and distinctive looks I can see celeb eco warriors such as Arnie and Leo buying them to be seen in an EV in public while protected from the same public, as they drive.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....to their private jets. :-/





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  # 2360155 24-Nov-2019 18:12
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146k pre-orders. I can’t decide - I wonder if it’s hard to get stuff into the back from the sides.





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  # 2360159 24-Nov-2019 18:16
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They hyped how high it can go, but how low does it drop? That would help load things in if it can hit the ground like a lowrider.





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  # 2360182 24-Nov-2019 20:14
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My first impressions of the pre-launch rendering looked pretty awesome and in keeping with current design.

 

The first pics look pretty bad, but after watching the video release, I actually think its pretty cool and has some pretty neat design aspects mainly related to the tray and ramps.

 

I do wonder how with thick stainless steel how it will perform in accident tests and how that force will be transferred directly to the cabin passengers?

 

 

 

 




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  # 2360201 24-Nov-2019 21:02
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BlinkyBill:

 

146k pre-orders. I can’t decide - I wonder if it’s hard to get stuff into the back from the sides.

 

 

Umm. It looks to be pretty much impossible due to the profile of the side of the bed. (perhaps if you stood on the rear tire).

 


That said, have you tried to reach into a modern 4x4 ute (hilux etc) wellside tray from the side? I'm pritty tall, and I can only reach stuff from the side of the tray if it is near the edge and raised off the floor. (and it was in the rear half of the tray due to the linkage supporting the hard tray lid on the ute I was moving). Worse if you want to keep your clothes clean, and not rub them on the side of the ute. Pritty much need to climb on the tray to access the rear of it.

 

Consider that the Cyber truck is way bigger than the common NZ utes. Those tires are 35" tall, compare to a (non-workmate) hilux with 30.5" tall tires, or a ranger raptor with 33" tires). I don't think you could side load much even if the tray had a conventional wellside profile.

 

 

 

[edit] scaled of the wheel. directly above the wheel looks to be about 1.6-1.7m high. If you are tall you could look into the bed from the size :), but I don't think you will be reaching anything.




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  # 2360206 24-Nov-2019 21:19
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richms:

 

They hyped how high it can go, but how low does it drop? That would help load things in if it can hit the ground like a lowrider.

 

 

Below is a photo of it in loading mode (I assume with the front and rear air suspension maxed out in opposite dimensions). For scale the tires are 35 inches tall, and the quad is apparently a modified Yamaha raptor which is 1100mm tall (stock)

 

My rough scaling off the tire size puts the rear floor of the bed at around 600mm high which is pretty workable. Integrated ramp (assuming you have space to deploy it) allowing people to walk up into the tray. That plus the retractable roller (vs a hard lid or canopy) allowing the loading person to stand would make life easier than common NZ ute configurations.

 


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  # 2360224 24-Nov-2019 22:19
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benokobi:
loceff13:

 

Theres no way this makes it to NZ at <80k, the Model 3 is 20k NZD more expensive than US pricing and barely qualifies

 



Model 3 is $75990 here with the base model retailing for $39490 in the US.

 


My work colleague got his for $73K, but that's still another 10K (not 20K) on top of the pure currency conversation. Guess that fairly comparable to importing a similarily priced car from Japan after you add shipping, insurance, inspection, licensing etc. 

 

 




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  # 2360237 24-Nov-2019 23:14
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insane:

 

benokobi:

Model 3 is $75990 here with the base model retailing for $39490 in the US.

 


My work colleague got his for $73K, but that's still another 10K (not 20K) on top of the pure currency conversation. Guess that fairly comparable to importing a similarily priced car from Japan after you add shipping, insurance, inspection, licensing etc. 

 

 

 

 

There was a recent price increase for the model 3 globally (with a little extra range added to the SR+ spec). I think the first batch of NZ model 3's got in before this change. I think tesla also tweak non USA prices now and then as currency moves around.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-price-range-msrp-increase/

 

With regards to converting prices, GST is the big bit.

Cars prices in the USA are quoted without sales tax (as with all prices).

USD39490 = NZD61654.35

 

Add GST = NZD70892.15

 

 

 

That is not only NZD 5,007.85 from the NZ base price of 75900 (ORC brings this up to $77,506).

Shipping & logistics would eat 2 - 3k of this. Tesla may also have made an allowance for our consumer guarantees act, which essentially functions as an extended warranty which people don't get elsewhere in the world.

 

I think they were bringing in cars in containers due to ship timing which has to cost more to van, devan etc than ro-ro ships

 


Still this price differential between NZ and USA is tiny compared to what it is on say a BMW 3 series.

 

 

 

I do wish NZ banned having on road costs as an add on. If something is marked as a road vehicle, I feel the costs to drive it away from the showroom should be included in the main sticker price (as Toyota now does)

 



For an example of import costs, I brought a small car in from the UK a few years back (in a shared container). Cost $3450 for my agents fee, $2750 for shipping, $400 for compliance, $575 for rego.


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