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  # 2368079 4-Dec-2019 12:51
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i have issues with the reliabilty of dual clutch transmissions. traditional auto sounds more appealing.





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  # 2368083 4-Dec-2019 12:57
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Batman:

 

i have issues with the reliabilty of dual clutch transmissions. traditional auto sounds more appealing.

 

 

 

 

Depends how long you plan to keep the car I guess. The newer dual clutch transmissions are a lot better than earlier ones, but they can be costly to fix outside of warranty. If you want to avoid dual clutch, I'd go traditional auto over CVT for sure. CVT can also be costly to repair, and they are just awful to drive.





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  # 2368098 4-Dec-2019 13:18
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need real 4wd - subaru. don't really need real 4wd - toyota

 

 

 

 

Why so? My old (brand new then!) 2006 Forester handled the Dubai sand with aplomb! Never any issues.

 

 

exactly. though x-mode v1 is useless, x-mode v2 gave the fix.

 

 

 

 

Ah yes sorry, I misread/misunderstood your post!





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  # 2368108 4-Dec-2019 13:29
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I'm looking at a Tiguan Allspace at the moment. We have a VW Golf and it's great. The Allspace is slightly longer (about 20cm) than the standard Tiguan but has 2 additional folding seats. HEAPS of room, and not much difference in price from the standard Tiguan.

 

Not sure about NZ, but here in Oz all new VWs have a 5 year warranty now.

 

The Highline model I am looking at has the same EA888 engine as the Golf GTI/R (but at different tune). That plus the AWD means it can do 0-100 in 6.8 seconds (6.5 for the non-Allspace) 162kw/350nm. Not many other cars in the class that have that kind of power!

 

I have driven a bunch of cars recently and the VW really stands out from the pack. The only car I preferred in the class was the Audi Q5, but that was essentially a $20k premium for more-or-less the same specs.

 

The VWs are very well regarded for actually achieving the fuel economy figures stated (We get sometimes better than the published from our Golf), where as looking at the specs of a lot of the Japanese or Korean cars, they often fall short (or well short) in the real world.

 

The dual-clutch gearboxes are also awesome. CVTs are horrible - avoid.

 

 

 

 


Wasn't the All Space Tiguan on sale for $39k recently? Thought that was a decent deal but I'm somewhat put off with the servicing. 

 


It only costs about $150 to service my Forester with my local guy and VW would charge about $500-$700 for a service! 


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  # 2368122 4-Dec-2019 13:56
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I bought a VW Allspace for last November. Got the 2ltr TSI 132Kw AWD. It was nearly new ( about 6months old with < 10k kms) so i saved all the on road costs etc. My SO wanted the skoda kodiak but the allspace was cheaper and better specified. She loves it. I got a VW removable towbar and servicing included then recently paid a few hundresd bux to exend the warranty to 5 years during a recent promotion so i dont have to worry about the gearbox. It replaced a Nissan Xtrail which had a CVT gear box that had started to play up. The VW gearbox is great going forward although I have found all Dual Clutch boxes dont like reversing up hills ( our drive is steep). The engine is fast enough for her and much more responsive than the X trail one. 

 

The interior is really good and comes with carplay, andoid auto, big touch screen, surround parking camera and autopark ( never met someone who has used this feature) climate control, LED headlights that move with the steering and lots of the surfaces fell more premium etc. My son loves the trays in the back. I see VW are only advertising the higher specced models at the moment keeping the price higher than their cousins Skodo and Seat. If you can get for the right price its definately a great car and you wouldnt be disappointed.  

 

 

 

WRT Servicing: most dealers include free servicing for new/ nearly new cars so it shouldnt be a concern. I found the nissan servicing was more expensive than my skoda octavia or my old VW golf. Its a bit of a myth these days that Euros cost more to service. What isnt a myth is that dealers charge more than non dealers to service cars but its best to use the dealer to keep the warranty. 

 

 

 

I would also recommend CARWOW on youtube. They have loads of reviews for nearly all the new cars out there. I have been using to research my next drive. 




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  # 2368136 4-Dec-2019 14:26
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I bought a VW Allspace for last November. Got the 2ltr TSI 132Kw AWD. It was nearly new ( about 6months old with < 10k kms) so i saved all the on road costs etc. My SO wanted the skoda kodiak but the allspace was cheaper and better specified. She loves it. I got a VW removable towbar and servicing included then recently paid a few hundresd bux to exend the warranty to 5 years during a recent promotion so i dont have to worry about the gearbox. It replaced a Nissan Xtrail which had a CVT gear box that had started to play up. The VW gearbox is great going forward although I have found all Dual Clutch boxes dont like reversing up hills ( our drive is steep). The engine is fast enough for her and much more responsive than the X trail one. 

 

The interior is really good and comes with carplay, andoid auto, big touch screen, surround parking camera and autopark ( never met someone who has used this feature) climate control, LED headlights that move with the steering and lots of the surfaces fell more premium etc. My son loves the trays in the back. I see VW are only advertising the higher specced models at the moment keeping the price higher than their cousins Skodo and Seat. If you can get for the right price its definately a great car and you wouldnt be disappointed.  

 

 

 

WRT Servicing: most dealers include free servicing for new/ nearly new cars so it shouldnt be a concern. I found the nissan servicing was more expensive than my skoda octavia or my old VW golf. Its a bit of a myth these days that Euros cost more to service. What isnt a myth is that dealers charge more than non dealers to service cars but its best to use the dealer to keep the warranty. 

 

 

 

I would also recommend CARWOW on youtube. They have loads of reviews for nearly all the new cars out there. I have been using to research my next drive. 

 

 

 

 

It's interesting that your SO wanted toe Skoda as I would've thought the Skoda brand is not as 'desirable' as the VW brand, even thought they are both very similar? 

I test drove the Skoda and it was pretty nice, although in my mind - I just can't get past the fact it's a 'Skoda'. 

 

 


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  # 2368137 4-Dec-2019 14:28
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Wasn't the All Space Tiguan on sale for $39k recently? Thought that was a decent deal but I'm somewhat put off with the servicing. 

 


It only costs about $150 to service my Forester with my local guy and VW would charge about $500-$700 for a service! 

 

 

https://www.volkswagen.co.nz/media/501961/spec_sheet_tiguan-allspace_my20-nov19.pdf

 

Looks like they have a fixed price service plan for $1200 for 3 years ($400 a year). That's not bad for a dealer service. Personally, for a new car under warranty I'd MUCH rather have it serviced by the dealer, even though it costs a bit more. They are much less likely to be a pain with any warranty issues (may try to pin it on the non-dealer mechanic) and just about every new car has so much technology that only the dealer can service.

 

I currently drive a 2011 Mazda 6 Touring (my wife has the Golf). It's boring as hell compared to the Golf (which I used to drive most of the time until we have a baby and needed a second car). I looked at getting a new Mazda 6, or CX-8 or similar, but compared to the Tiguan I am looking at (which wasn't much difference in price), the VW is just a vastly nicer, more refined (and more powerful) car.





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  # 2368167 4-Dec-2019 15:35
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I was a huge Subby fan for a long time, we owned 4 over the space of 12 years. In our last Subby I was completely stopped at an intersection indicating to turn right and a lady in a Hyundai Santa Fe was turning right into the lane I was on. She obviously didn't see me there and drove straight into me. I even had time to honk the horn before she hit. The Subby crumpled something wicked, radiator popped etc etc... Her Santa Fe had a scratch on the bumper. Took 3 weeks to get parts from Japan, another 2 to get repaired. Not the only Subby I've seen crumple like that either, so I've driven a Toyota Highlander for the 5 years since. 

 

 

 

So now I'm Toyota fan. They're solid if not exceptional in any way, and parts are on hand from their massive Palmy North warehouse. We've been looking at the RAV4 Hybrid to replace the Highlander, I was pleasantly surprised by its driving characteristics by comparison. Agree the infotainment system is plain bad by modern standards but the upcoming Apple\Android update will sort that. Only problem is now Toyota have announced the RAV4 Prime and that's the model I really want... Another 12 months wait for NZ most likely, but I won't buy another standard petrol or diesel car again at this point. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2368170 4-Dec-2019 15:39
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Agree the infotainment system is plain bad by modern standards but the upcoming Apple\Android update will sort that.

 

I thought Toyota NZ had announced they were not launching Android Auto/Apple CarPlay in NZ despite most other markets (including Australia) now having it? Has that changed?





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  # 2368191 4-Dec-2019 16:04
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turtleattacks:

 

mortonman:

 

I bought a VW Allspace for last November. Got the 2ltr TSI 132Kw AWD. It was nearly new ( about 6months old with < 10k kms) so i saved all the on road costs etc. My SO wanted the skoda kodiak but the allspace was cheaper and better specified. She loves it. I got a VW removable towbar and servicing included then recently paid a few hundresd bux to exend the warranty to 5 years during a recent promotion so i dont have to worry about the gearbox. It replaced a Nissan Xtrail which had a CVT gear box that had started to play up. The VW gearbox is great going forward although I have found all Dual Clutch boxes dont like reversing up hills ( our drive is steep). The engine is fast enough for her and much more responsive than the X trail one. 

 

The interior is really good and comes with carplay, andoid auto, big touch screen, surround parking camera and autopark ( never met someone who has used this feature) climate control, LED headlights that move with the steering and lots of the surfaces fell more premium etc. My son loves the trays in the back. I see VW are only advertising the higher specced models at the moment keeping the price higher than their cousins Skodo and Seat. If you can get for the right price its definately a great car and you wouldnt be disappointed.  

 

 

 

WRT Servicing: most dealers include free servicing for new/ nearly new cars so it shouldnt be a concern. I found the nissan servicing was more expensive than my skoda octavia or my old VW golf. Its a bit of a myth these days that Euros cost more to service. What isnt a myth is that dealers charge more than non dealers to service cars but its best to use the dealer to keep the warranty. 

 

 

 

I would also recommend CARWOW on youtube. They have loads of reviews for nearly all the new cars out there. I have been using to research my next drive. 

 

 

 

 

It's interesting that your SO wanted toe Skoda as I would've thought the Skoda brand is not as 'desirable' as the VW brand, even thought they are both very similar? 

I test drove the Skoda and it was pretty nice, although in my mind - I just can't get past the fact it's a 'Skoda'. 

 

 

 

 

Im british so understand the old "Skoda" brand and all the jokes even so I drive an octavia VRS and its the best car i have owned. My car before was a Golf and looking to move to an audi A4 avant next year so I've bought into the VAG family big time! 

 

My SO is a Kiwi and not into cars so nice colour and nice shape were her criteria.  


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  # 2368215 4-Dec-2019 16:40
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JimmyC:

 

I was a huge Subby fan for a long time, we owned 4 over the space of 12 years. In our last Subby I was completely stopped at an intersection indicating to turn right and a lady in a Hyundai Santa Fe was turning right into the lane I was on. She obviously didn't see me there and drove straight into me. I even had time to honk the horn before she hit. The Subby crumpled something wicked, radiator popped etc etc... Her Santa Fe had a scratch on the bumper. Took 3 weeks to get parts from Japan, another 2 to get repaired. Not the only Subby I've seen crumple like that either, so I've driven a Toyota Highlander for the 5 years since. 

 

 

 

So now I'm Toyota fan. They're solid if not exceptional in any way, and parts are on hand from their massive Palmy North warehouse. We've been looking at the RAV4 Hybrid to replace the Highlander, I was pleasantly surprised by its driving characteristics by comparison. Agree the infotainment system is plain bad by modern standards but the upcoming Apple\Android update will sort that. Only problem is now Toyota have announced the RAV4 Prime and that's the model I really want... Another 12 months wait for NZ most likely, but I won't buy another standard petrol or diesel car again at this point. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can you tell me the model and make year for your subie? i know that the subies made in the 90s were death traps.





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  # 2368228 4-Dec-2019 17:06
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I just went through this process and opted for the Mazda CX-9. It's a big comfy car compared to the others.





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JimmyC:

 

I was a huge Subby fan for a long time, we owned 4 over the space of 12 years. In our last Subby I was completely stopped at an intersection indicating to turn right and a lady in a Hyundai Santa Fe was turning right into the lane I was on. She obviously didn't see me there and drove straight into me. I even had time to honk the horn before she hit. The Subby crumpled something wicked, radiator popped etc etc... Her Santa Fe had a scratch on the bumper. Took 3 weeks to get parts from Japan, another 2 to get repaired. Not the only Subby I've seen crumple like that either, so I've driven a Toyota Highlander for the 5 years since. 

 

 

 

So now I'm Toyota fan. They're solid if not exceptional in any way, and parts are on hand from their massive Palmy North warehouse. We've been looking at the RAV4 Hybrid to replace the Highlander, I was pleasantly surprised by its driving characteristics by comparison. Agree the infotainment system is plain bad by modern standards but the upcoming Apple\Android update will sort that. Only problem is now Toyota have announced the RAV4 Prime and that's the model I really want... Another 12 months wait for NZ most likely, but I won't buy another standard petrol or diesel car again at this point. 

 

 

 

 

The crumpling is a good thing.  It is what stops people getting hurt.  If both cars were solid as a rock the force on the occupants would have been much worse.

 

You can't get around F=MA  decreasing the Acceleration by increasing the time of the collision.


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  # 2368307 4-Dec-2019 18:12
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Yes somethings got to give when unstoppable force meets unmovable object. But it does show that unstoppable force (hyun) was tougher than immovable object (sub). If still don't get it, let's up the ante.

Toughest 5 star honda jazz go slam it into a 5 ton tractor. Tractor will win.




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  # 2368530 5-Dec-2019 05:16
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Batman: Yes somethings got to give when unstoppable force meets unmovable object. But it does show that unstoppable force (hyun) was tougher than immovable object (sub). If still don't get it, let's up the ante.

Toughest 5 star honda jazz go slam it into a 5 ton tractor. Tractor will win.


Yes the tractor "wins". But the occupants survive. Two tractors at the same speed and the force on the occupants is much greater and they are more likely to suffer harm/death.

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