Changing lanes across bus lane to a turn left = FINE?

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#2410361 30-Jan-2020 19:06

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You must not go into or attempt to cross the intersection, railway level crossing, pedestrian crossing or an area controlled by pedestrian traffic signals, unless there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection or crossing.

There are some incredibly short orange phases, and if you're turning right and dont want to spill your drinks etc and have to take it at a sensible speed, then its quite possible to cross the line on a green and leave on a red. There is one in glenfield by the maccas outside the mall that does short phases of green and then a really short orange where its almost certain that you will leave on a red even tho entering on a green.

The law says you are not allowed to "enter" and intersection on a red light, it says nothing about leaving an intersection. You are perfectly entitled to enter an intersection on a green light and then leave if the light then turn red PROVIDED your exit is not blocked by stationary traffic. A prime example is making a right turn where there is no right turn arrow and lots of oncoming traffic. You can move into the intersection on a green light, then complete your turn after the lights have turned red and the oncoming traffic have stopped.

Yes you are correct but it is also important to note that it's OK for one vehicle to enter the intersection, it's no allowed for two or more. If a vehicle entered the intersection behind another and had to wait then they could be ticketed.

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#2410381 30-Jan-2020 20:17

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i had a ticket for beating an orange light when i crossed the line when it was green

I did as well a few months ago. I was over the limit line and in the controlled area of the intersection on a green and the light changed to yellow after that and red before I exited the controlled area. The cop didn't seem to understand the law and I had no luck having the ticket waived despite my evidence very clearly showing I was not breaking the law.

It's the only time I really wished I had a dash cam. Dealing with the Police was incredibly frustrating and taking it to court and showing up with that really is the possible chance you've got of getting off a ticket as they'll just believe the officer all the time without compelling evidence such as video footage. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and pay despite knowing you've done nothing wrong.

You must not go into or attempt to cross the intersection, railway level crossing, pedestrian crossing or an area controlled by pedestrian traffic signals, unless there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection or crossing.

I'm fully aware of the intersection blocking rule. My exit was clear when I entered the controlled area.

As for short light phases there are intersections in the Wgtn CBD (Tory / Courtenay being one) where you can be the first car at lights, proceed on the green and have a red by the time you've reached the other side of the intersection.

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#2410439 30-Jan-2020 21:38

AT just are behind the 8 ball imo. Auckland is pretending to be a super city yet puts the most important thing last, infrastructure, costing not only rate payers but also all of us due to the CRAZY cost promoting people to keep using cars as transport puts on actual TRANSPORT, ie trucks carrying goods.

Auckland in general has put too many things ahead of getting people off the roads and on TRAINS and where not possible to convert roadways to train lines BUSES/FERRIES.

The North Shore train line should have been a priority.

Bus parking at Silverdale is a joke.

In Aus they have multi story car parking for SUBURBS let alone REGIONAL CITIES.

Auckland is not a super city, its a gentrified mess.

I just hope with Penlink going through they actually have the foresite now to build a train line up the bus lane to Silverdale, possibly to Whangarei (using existing cargo train lines) and a train line across the penlink to Stanmore Bay and truely use my exorbenent $150 for breaking a rule I did not know existed as it never use to (Ok ignorance is no defense, .... OFF).

Im not going to sit in the right hand lane in peak hour in a major exit in Auckland and block an entire lane while I wait for the bus lane to clear just so I can cross over to turn left simply because I couldnt enter earlier as it was breaking the law but when it wasnt there were 3 buses sitting there with more backing up. Simply idiotic design and it is clearly a design to gain revenue, hard to argue that with the stats given.

A better idea than trapping people AT, put tolls on entry to the 3km zone surrounding Auckland, zero car policy in the city itself outside essential workers. Use tolls for those who want to keep our roads congested by driving to pay for better public transport ie buy back of land where needed, put trams back in Auck city, which work very effectively, build train lines to each direction at bare minimum given you lacked any consideration of what kind of transport other "Big Cities" use. And make using Auckland Transport enjoyable not parking illegally because you cannot be bothered building car parks sizeable for bus lanes, using quick cats which were tested but not implemented cutting down gulf harbour from 55min to 30min, did they actually get any analysts onto Public Transport at Auckland Transport or is Auckland Transport just a place holder name for an organisation that has zero funding and zero people working on better transport and cars off the roads? Or are we running jerky buses with illegal parking that you have to stand up on for 45 mins until all the oil has be depleted?

Either whoever has been a CEO of AT is completely incapable or there just isnt any funding, or both? I can see good ideas probably do get raised and get knocked back due to funding. Because the $100k sucker punch at the end of Khyber pass has been used to Gentrify another part of the city that nobody can access with quality public transport.

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#2410441 30-Jan-2020 21:41

sbiddle:

As for short light phases there are intersections in the Wgtn CBD (Tory / Courtenay being one) where you can be the first car at lights, proceed on the green and have a red by the time you've reached the other side of the intersection.

Oh those are easy ones in Auckland, in Auckland you cant get across in a green light due to congestion and if you try you are likely blocking on coming traffic :-)

Yep there are a few of those around still, short run greens, but generally in the Burbs in Auck.

kharris:

Yes you are correct but it is also important to note that it's OK for one vehicle to enter the intersection, it's no allowed for two or more. If a vehicle entered the intersection behind another and had to wait then they could be ticketed.

even if it was green light ahead at time of entering? if so, that sounds NUTS. nice find.

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#2410442 30-Jan-2020 21:45

Well that escalated. I think the OP forgot to mention the black helicopters and 5g that AT are using.

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#2410446 30-Jan-2020 21:57

Handle9: Well that escalated. I think the OP forgot to mention the black helicopters and 5g that AT are using.

OMG we have Helicopter transport? ;-p. What about 5g AT using, you mean on transport? If so that should be a given. Should be on a Train. A platform you can actually pull your laptop out and use the network without the Bus breaking sending your notebook all over the place, need a bus sensitive touchpad :-)

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I don't believe that is the case for this intersection. It's busy, but most people I see, are confused by the layout. There are plenty of busy roads in NZ, I have never been pinged twice in a road ever in my life. I didn't either time "sneak" down any bus lane.

100%. Anyone actually agreeing with AT on this are having a Tug.

Im just use to merge say 10-20m before the lane (which is about 30m long, its very short) as to not side swipe other cars, or as stated if you stay in the Middle right Lane, 2 lanes to the right of where you need to turn, and you are at the stop line, you have to wait for the buss traffic to clear before you can cross 2 lanes to get to the turn and just hope like heck some idiot doesnt actually also want to turn left, or you get some guy pull you out of your car because you have just clogged a major intersection until the light has turned red.

Its daft, its corrupt, its undisputable outside those that like to argue for the sake of arguing. Real world is, its IDIOTIC in design. But thats Auckland for you. Use to be a cool city to live in. Now it just looks cool.

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So, you're advocating that the drivers on the roads are left to police themselves? Good luck with that. Traffic offenses are just another form of antisocial behaviour

Lol, this is exactly what happens, i was taking the piss re a Cop, the police have no involvement, its stationary. You do realise your post sound overtly nanny state though. Oh no, I crossed a green line because it was the safest thing to do in the situation, oh naughty me, Im a villain, Im a marvel villain.

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#2410449 30-Jan-2020 22:19

I'd say this thread has probably run it's course and should get locked before it gets someone banned.

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#2410460 31-Jan-2020 01:41

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kharris:

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i had a ticket for beating an orange light when i crossed the line when it was green

I did as well a few months ago. I was over the limit line and in the controlled area of the intersection on a green and the light changed to yellow after that and red before I exited the controlled area. The cop didn't seem to understand the law and I had no luck having the ticket waived despite my evidence very clearly showing I was not breaking the law.

It's the only time I really wished I had a dash cam. Dealing with the Police was incredibly frustrating and taking it to court and showing up with that really is the possible chance you've got of getting off a ticket as they'll just believe the officer all the time without compelling evidence such as video footage. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and pay despite knowing you've done nothing wrong.

You must not go into or attempt to cross the intersection, railway level crossing, pedestrian crossing or an area controlled by pedestrian traffic signals, unless there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection or crossing.

I'm fully aware of the intersection blocking rule. My exit was clear when I entered the controlled area.

As for short light phases there are intersections in the Wgtn CBD (Tory / Courtenay being one) where you can be the first car at lights, proceed on the green and have a red by the time you've reached the other side of the intersection.

I know what ya mean about the short light phases around that part of town. Doesn’t seem to worry some people though... red light running is becoming all to common in the city and it’s getting dangerous out there. Oh btw thanks for saving me money on petrol at Z. Good article.

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#2410461 31-Jan-2020 03:03

TeaLeaf:

Im not going to sit in the right hand lane in peak hour in a major exit in Auckland and block an entire lane while I wait for the bus lane to clear just so I can cross over to turn left simply because I couldnt enter earlier as it was breaking the law but when it wasnt there were 3 buses sitting there with more backing up.

Make up your mind. Either it's 11am on a Saturday with no traffic or there are three buses banked up.

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#2410465 31-Jan-2020 05:36

Handle9:

I'd say this thread has probably run it's course and should get locked before it gets someone banned.

would that be a bad thing?

you drove in the bus lane illegally, if you think you didnt and AT got it wrong request the footage, and see if they are wrong then dispute it.

im confident the footage will show you driving in it illegally, so just pay the fine and move on.

There is a heap of buses that pass through there hourly, the bus lane is there is give them a priority lane to skip traffic because that road is busy and not having a lane holds those services up.

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#2410467 31-Jan-2020 05:39

Jase2985:
Handle9:

I'd say this thread has probably run it's course and should get locked before it gets someone banned.

would that be a bad thing?

you drove in the bus lane illegally, if you think you didnt and AT got it wrong request the footage, and see if they are wrong then dispute it.

im confident the footage will show you driving in it illegally, so just pay the fine and move on.

There is a heap of buses that pass through there hourly, the bus lane is there is give them a priority lane to skip traffic because that road is busy and not having a lane holds those services up.

Cool story. Maybe you should read the thread..

I am very confident there is no footage of me on Khyber pass.

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#2410559 31-Jan-2020 10:24

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I'd say this thread has probably run it's course and should get locked before it gets someone banned.

would that be a bad thing?

you drove in the bus lane illegally, if you think you didnt and AT got it wrong request the footage, and see if they are wrong then dispute it.

im confident the footage will show you driving in it illegally, so just pay the fine and move on.

There is a heap of buses that pass through there hourly, the bus lane is there is give them a priority lane to skip traffic because that road is busy and not having a lane holds those services up.

Cool story. Maybe you should read the thread..

I am very confident there is no footage of me on Khyber pass.

Wasn't aimed at you was aimed at the Op

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#2410851 31-Jan-2020 16:39

May I suggest while everyone is stuck in traffic at interesctions that you actually read all the signs. There may be a lot but if you are stationary you have more than enough time to do it safely, take it in and use it next time you are navigating the intersection.

That includes signs through the other side of the intersection .

You might learn something like the fact T2 is only applicable from 7am - 10am in that location

And if you are unsure of how to interpret what the signs mean , just use Google and you'll find heaps of detailed explanations .

Its not like you have to go to a bookshop, buy the road code and read it from cover to cover

There are also lots of online tests created for new drivers (like 16 year olds) which are short and to the point , so have a look at them also.

Just like you do for your job, parenting, sport.... - you need to keep upskilling your driving . A lot changes in the 50 years the average person drives on our roads.

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#2411816 3-Feb-2020 10:21

Being in the area of Khyber pass over the weekend, I took a look at the intersection, and agree that it is badly designed.

From the lights at intersection of Khyber Pass road and Gillies Ave there are two lanes of traffic.

At the intersection with Kingdon St the left lane suddenly becomes a Bus lane (7am-7pm Mon-Sun) - for about 50-100m. I couldn't see a lot of warning of that happening, and most traffic was just continuing straight down it. The bus lane ends well before the intersection with Broadway, with a green strip cycleway continuing.

At that point both of the lanes are right turning. You have to cross the cycle lane to get to the left turn onto Broadway lane.

There is almost zero warning for this bus lane so I'm not surprised that people are getting pinged by it.

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#2411824 3-Feb-2020 10:29

evnafets:

Being in the area of Khyber pass over the weekend, I took a look at the intersection, and agree that it is badly designed.

From the lights at intersection of Khyber Pass road and Gillies Ave there are two lanes of traffic.

At the intersection with Kingdon St the left lane suddenly becomes a Bus lane (7am-7pm Mon-Sun) - for about 50-100m. I couldn't see a lot of warning of that happening, and most traffic was just continuing straight down it. The bus lane ends well before the intersection with Broadway, with a green strip cycleway continuing.

At that point both of the lanes are right turning. You have to cross the cycle lane to get to the left turn onto Broadway lane.

There is almost zero warning for this bus lane so I'm not surprised that people are getting pinged by it.

Yep, that's my assessment as well. I am actually going to write to them about it. I think others should do the same. I know it takes time, and I guess if they are making serious bank from it, then they won't have a lot of motivation to change it.

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