Changing lanes across bus lane to a turn left = FINE?

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#2441722 19-Mar-2020 21:45

Regarding the comment about hours of the lane.

Firstly note that the current hours are a trial, set up to conincide with the opening of re-built Westfeild Newmarket mall.

Secondly note that this area is busy 7 days a week. (might change this weekend).

t0ny: Where is the sign to indicate that it is safe to use the bus lane to turn left into Broadway street? You would expect one within 50 meters. Notice the camera next to the Wilson car park, AT captures anyone in the bus lane using those cameras regardless if you turning left to go to Broadway or not.

The buslane end more than 50m from Broadway, as such no usage of the busway is acceptable for the purpose of purpose of turning left to Broadway.

The end of the Busway is marked both with a sign (The same size as the one where it begins, which has been posed here), and paint on the road.

Note that Auckland transport uses enforcement "Zone" - you need to be in the buslane for the full zone (varying length's, but allways over 50m). This is why the automated lane enforcement setups have a pair of camera poles, one for the start of the zone and one for the end.

When I am in the area, most vehicle that breach the bus lane drive it's full length, many even turn right onto Broadway. I don't think the high rate of infringements is to do with issues relating to changing lanes to turn left. I think the issue is to do with the kyberpass intersection by the BP. Coming down the Khyber pass, the bus lane ends prior to this intersection, and due right turning vehicle blocking the right lane, most non turning traffic moves to the left lane. A portion of of this traffic does not merge back into the right lane, and drives down the bus lane instead.

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antonknee

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#2441746 19-Mar-2020 22:36

100% what @Scott3 said.

Also to add - AT are more than fair by using zones to enforce this. By the definition of the law, you are only allowed to “drive in the lane to cross it” (the bus lane) within 50m of an intersection. That would indicate you can’t drive in it for any more than it takes you to immediately go from traffic lane to traffic lane before making a turn.

In the case of KPR to Broadway, the intersection is a significant distance from the bus lane. You wouldn’t cross the bus lane at all - you would enter it and the bus lane ends well before you get another traffic lane you could possibly be crossing the bus lane for.

SirHumphreyAppleby

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#2441810 20-Mar-2020 06:37

antonknee:

Did you happen to take pictures of the signs along the bus lane?

The hours of operation are clearly displayed in this case, but that's not true for all AT bus lanes.

Here's a couple of transit lane photos, car included for scale. Good luck reading the hours of operations for 50m away... the bottom line says Mon - Fri. I drive down here regularly on the weekends, and I'm usually the only person using the transit lane.

antonknee

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#2441912 20-Mar-2020 09:14

No I didn’t. There’s that sign and then the same sign that says “ENDS”. And a matching set for the other bus lane.

Your T2 lane sign looks similar in size to the ones on Lake Rd in Northcote and Manukau Rd in Epsom, both of which I used to drive on pretty regularly. They are smaller than the bus lane signs but still reasonably clear as you drive past them. There’s also the paint on the road.

Ideally I think they could be bigger and clearer but I don’t think they’re an issue at present.

Oblivian

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#2490451 24-May-2020 13:16

$4.6million.

In 3 months.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12333811&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb

Sabertown

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#2490494 24-May-2020 14:22

I get to go into District court to complain in early June, infringement was from Jan.
Not expecting much good to come from it tho.

One think i discovered through this is that agencies like AT and Ministry of Justice must be used to fund and keep NZ post running as they at no point have offered to email correspondence after I asked!

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#2490554 24-May-2020 16:44

Cannot believe this bus lane is still causing an uproar. Love Damian Christie tugging at the heartstrings - his income is massively dropped, the fine is unfair; some old lady wrote to me and said she couldn’t afford the fine on her pension.

It’s actually really simple - don’t drive in bus lanes.

Not liking it, finding it confusing, thinking it’s unfair, thinking it’s not needed doesn’t actually matter. The rules are the rules and the bus lane is crystal clear. If you can’t work out how to drive according to the law, then don’t drive.

tinSoldier

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#2508568 20-Jun-2020 08:49

Sabertown: I get to go into District court to complain in early June, infringement was from Jan.
Not expecting much good to come from it tho.

One think i discovered through this is that agencies like AT and Ministry of Justice must be used to fund and keep NZ post running as they at no point have offered to email correspondence after I asked!

@Sabertown I'd be interested to hear how you got on with this. I have a hearing for the same thing in July. I'm a big believer in bus lanes but this one being 77m (only 27m more than the permissible distance for being in it to turn left), badly painted and running on Sundays when there's barely any traffic, it's a rort.

What was the outcome of your hearing?

Sabertown

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#2508890 20-Jun-2020 18:00

tinSoldier:
Sabertown: I get to go into District court to complain in early June, infringement was from Jan.
Not expecting much good to come from it tho.

One think i discovered through this is that agencies like AT and Ministry of Justice must be used to fund and keep NZ post running as they at no point have offered to email correspondence after I asked!

@Sabertown I'd be interested to hear how you got on with this. I have a hearing for the same thing in July. I'm a big believer in bus lanes but this one being 77m (only 27m more than the permissible distance for being in it to turn left), badly painted and running on Sundays when there's barely any traffic, it's a rort.

What was the outcome of your hearing?

@tinSoldier it got postponed now 1st July so probably see you there!?

tinSoldier

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#2511735 24-Jun-2020 20:51

@Sabertown mine is 8 July although I elected to have it without needing to attend.

Let us now what the outcome is if they tell you on the day.

Sabertown

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#2515882 1-Jul-2020 19:19

tinSoldier: @Sabertown mine is 8 July although I elected to have it without needing to attend.

Let us now what the outcome is if they tell you on the day.

@tinSoldier So went to District court today, it was very obvious there was only one objective from them and that was to collect revenue, many people angry as it went on just how much it was about collecting money regardless of anything said really, it's an enforceable penalty and you have been snapped basically, nothing of a person's good or bad driving history etc taken into account.

Was a good experience and quite enjoyed my couple of hours there watching various infringements and things being put before the JP who then just squashes their hope of fairness lol

I did cost AT $30 as fine was $120 plus $30 court costs so penalty was the same as if I'd paid it before getting to court, which many people were awarded.

Only 2 people got it down to $50 plus $30 costs but you'll have to go sit and watch a session to figure out how this is done.
@tinSoldier I'll be interested to see if you get the same fine as me or because u aren't attending they still give u $150 + costs, let us know

Highly recommended going for a look, think it's usually room 5 at Auckland District court, just go in and sit for a while.

Duty Lawyer was the only good thing of the day, Mr Haslip I think was really helpful and attentive to the poor public getting fleeced.

tinSoldier

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#2515885 1-Jul-2020 19:34

@Sabertown good on you for going through all that. I wish I could summon the enthusiasm to attend but I feel life is too short and as I’ve already ticked the box not to attend I doubt they take kindly to me striding in like Erin Brokovich :) Will let you know if I get $150 or $180 or worse.

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#2597372 4-Nov-2020 08:25

Boss looking for an article to show someone in Christchurch that the council here do similar Lane enforcement I come across this

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/council-backtracks-on-bus-lane-enforcement/UWPVCV6XAPDUJZOFMJHSNYKGNM/

seems someone is seeing some sense about making a national standard or marking the 50m for those who can't work it out

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#2597377 4-Nov-2020 08:46

That article is dated September 2010. 10 years later it's still a serious money earner.

Keep calm, and carry on posting.

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#2597466 4-Nov-2020 10:22

Stu: That article is dated September 2010. 10 years later it's still a serious money earner.

hahaha I'm blind. Teach me for googling! Brain only saw the start of it and figured it was this Sept. *facepalm*

Carry on nothing to see here.

But yes. Certainly seems to have a long ongoing theme. That might have been what spurred the FairGo initial complaints then.

I clearly needed more caffeine.

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