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  #2506896 17-Jun-2020 18:34
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vexxxboy:

to be perfectly honest, i cant remember the last time i had contact with anyone filling up my car , i swipe my card, fill up and leave.


Yeah, but you'll have BPme or similar. Visitors from overseas probably won't.

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  #2506898 17-Jun-2020 18:47
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I for one congratulate Stuff on this admirable post-covid attempt to increase Auckland to Wellington tourism. ; )

Also, it's only 600 tanks of gas to get to the moon from orbit. Maybe less in practice, and only if you drive 24 hours a day for eight days, and assuming the velocity of the exhaust gas is enough to maintain your speed.

 
 
 
 


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  #2507078 18-Jun-2020 09:17
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This thread is disappointing, as is the media coverage over the last few days.

 

Focus on the system, don't demonise the people who applied for an exemption, were granted one, and from what it seems, acted reasonably and responsibly in the circumstances.

 

It seems social media and trash media are taking us back to the modern day equivalent of public shaming in town squares.

 

We should be better than this.

 

And Paul Goldmith's attack on the women via the media yesterday was disgraceful!


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  #2507083 18-Jun-2020 09:43
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dafman:

 

This thread is disappointing, as is the media coverage over the last few days.

 

Focus on the system, don't demonise the people who applied for an exemption, were granted one, and from what it seems, acted reasonably and responsibly in the circumstances.

 

It seems social media and trash media are taking us back to the modern day equivalent of public shaming in town squares.

 

We should be better than this.

 

And Paul Goldmith's attack on the women via the media yesterday was disgraceful!

 

 

Is it not correct that one of them lied about being symptomatic (this was previously reported)? If that's the case, and she did lie about being symptomatic, then it's disgraceful and any negative coverage is probably deserved. If that's not correct (and who knows, because the facts of this seem thin on the ground) then they don't deserve to be tried in the court of public opinion. In any case, I would say it seems unwise to have done this if you did have symptoms, and certainly unwise to do the 'kiss and cuddle' given the circumstances. 

 

Ultimately this was a failure of the system, exemptions shouldn't ever have existed and quite frankly that's on the bleating of the media, opposition MPs and the High Court about "it's not fair". There should be no exmeptions to a deadly disease which certainly will not make any exemptions of its own.





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  #2507093 18-Jun-2020 10:03
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Trip computer from my Dmax, filled up in Queenstown, this about 130km down the road (Roxburgh).  On an open road cruise the fuel use drops to under 7l/100km.  I think the tank is 75l. Trip computer seems accurate - apart from bug that if you park on a slope, then the gauge calculates range based on fuel level reading when you first start up, and takes a while to adjust back.

 


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  #2507098 18-Jun-2020 10:10
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I think the person with any of the covid symptoms already had another long term condition that had same/similar symptoms. This probably comes down to how the questioning is carried out. I recall that pre surgery you get asked if you've had any unexpected weight loss. If you were dieting for any reason would you say yes or no?

From this mornings radio news I heard that the vehicle the women had borrowed was diesel-powered. That further supports being able to do ~650km Akl - Wgtn without refueling. I note one letter to the editor in the DomPost where the writer thought the distance was 800km.

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  #2507104 18-Jun-2020 10:17
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Bung: I think the person with any of the covid symptoms already had another long term condition that had same/similar symptoms. This probably comes down to how the questioning is carried out. I recall that pre surgery you get asked if you've had any unexpected weight loss. If you were dieting for any reason would you say yes or no?

From this mornings radio news I heard that the vehicle the women had borrowed was diesel-powered. That further supports being able to do ~650km Akl - Wgtn without refueling. I note one letter to the editor in the DomPost where the writer thought the distance was 800km.

 

Agree it comes down to questioning - and by some accounts that questioning is actually not particularly robust. I also see that the initial interview was followed up a few times and that some of the answers to questions did change. Probably understandable given the circumstances and stress.

 

I would answer the surgery question as "I've lost weight, but not necessarily unexpectedly as I've been on a diet". Seems to me more information giving a complete answer is better than less where it comes to your health. Maybe that's just me?





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  #2507108 18-Jun-2020 10:30
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vexxxboy:

 

to be perfectly honest, i cant remember the last time i had contact with anyone filling up my car , i swipe my card, fill up and leave.

 

 

These people dont seem to be able to get on the motorway from ellerslie without getting a friend to help, so I guess that pay at pump is well beyond their skills.





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  #2507148 18-Jun-2020 11:18
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These people dont seem to be able to get on the motorway from ellerslie without getting a friend to help, so I guess that pay at pump is well beyond their skills.

 

 

This!

 

In reference to my previous comment


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  #2507261 18-Jun-2020 11:35
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These people dont seem to be able to get on the motorway from ellerslie without getting a friend to help, so I guess that pay at pump is well beyond their skills.



Not being an Aucklander I wouldn't comment without seeing how the route unfolded. I do know that on a cloudy day when you can't orient by the sun the motorways around Christchurch and Hamilton can lead you astray unless you know the layout of the suburbs.

Years ago I left Akl airport in a rental and thought the directions to the city were very poor in comparison to city to airport signage. I think I got suckered into following a sign pointing to "City" and found it meant Mangere.

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  #2507268 18-Jun-2020 11:49
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Bung:

Not being an Aucklander I wouldn't comment without seeing how the route unfolded. I do know that on a cloudy day when you can't orient by the sun the motorways around Christchurch and Hamilton can lead you astray unless you know the layout of the suburbs.

Years ago I left Akl airport in a rental and thought the directions to the city were very poor in comparison to city to airport signage. I think I got suckered into following a sign pointing to "City" and found it meant Mangere.

 

The hotel is adjacent to the southbound onramp for SH1


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  #2507280 18-Jun-2020 12:13
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Scott3:

 

Bung:

Not being an Aucklander I wouldn't comment without seeing how the route unfolded. I do know that on a cloudy day when you can't orient by the sun the motorways around Christchurch and Hamilton can lead you astray unless you know the layout of the suburbs.

Years ago I left Akl airport in a rental and thought the directions to the city were very poor in comparison to city to airport signage. I think I got suckered into following a sign pointing to "City" and found it meant Mangere.

 

The hotel is adjacent to the southbound onramp for SH1

 

 

Yes, something is not adding up there. From that hotel, you basically turn left and don't stop till you get to the harbour in Wellington.

 

Surely they had Google Maps? 

 

 

 

I understand they were probably stressed and emotional, but my opinion (of course, without knowing any of the facts) is that these two ladies were a little misleading and haven't told the whole truth. They wanted to get to family in Wellington, and knew what answers not to give to anyone asking them questions so they could get there. How they got lost on the motorway, I'm not sure. They obviously had a phone (how else did their friend know where they were or that they were lost). Google Maps is pretty good at getting you where you need to go.


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  #2507286 18-Jun-2020 12:22
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trig42:

 

Yes, something is not adding up there. From that hotel, you basically turn left and don't stop till you get to the harbour in Wellington.

 

 

Is it possible that they turned right instead of left, and then became disorientated? As someone who is completely unfamiliar with Auckland and terrible at navigating I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

Surely they had Google Maps? 

 

I understand they were probably stressed and emotional, but my opinion (of course, without knowing any of the facts) is that these two ladies were a little misleading and haven't told the whole truth. They wanted to get to family in Wellington, and knew what answers not to give to anyone asking them questions so they could get there. How they got lost on the motorway, I'm not sure. They obviously had a phone (how else did their friend know where they were or that they were lost). Google Maps is pretty good at getting you where you need to go.

 

 

Not all phones have navigation capabilities. Maybe they had an old phone and an old car, neither of which would have satnav?

 

I am not saying they are completely blameless, but we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions without knowing the full facts.


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  #2507295 18-Jun-2020 12:39
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alasta:

 

.....

 

Is it possible that they turned right instead of left, and then became disorientated? As someone who is completely unfamiliar with Auckland and terrible at navigating I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

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Not all phones have navigation capabilities. Maybe they had an old phone and an old car, neither of which would have satnav?

 

I am not saying they are completely blameless, but we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions without knowing the full facts.

 

 

The hotel is close enough to the motorway that it would be able to be heard from the carpark.

 

Also they would have had to ignore this sign in order to turn right:

 

https://goo.gl/maps/VZtVKtKuyk45D4jM9

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding smartphone's, you are correct not everbody has them. But it would be very extremely unlikely that BOTH a globally mobile 30 something and 40 something woman did not have one (especially since we know they did have at least a phone to call for help when they were lost).

 

In addition it is quite implausible that somebody would set off on an 8 hour trip without having either a good understanding of the route, or some means of navigation (map, GPS, Smartphone etc).

 

I was happy to trust the story the first time around, but now we know that story was falsified, my trust is gone.  


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Easy.  In summer our 2004 diesel Pajero did NPD Blenheim to home then to NPD Queenstown (via inland route from Rangiora to Geraldine) on one tank.  That was 789km plus a few side excursions along the way, with no effort at all to drive economically (priority was to cover the distance).  All daytime driving in warm or hot weather, which reduces efficiency.   The orange light came on as we hit Frankton. We used ~70L.

 

WLG -> AKL is much shorter drive, with much more economical driving conditions.  Easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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