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  #2523940 16-Jul-2020 09:03
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mudguard:

 

 

 

Roadstone Eurovis Sport 04. They hit the price point, loads of wet weather grip, good wear rates and reviews report are much higher than average "buy again" percentage.

 

 

 

I've never heard of this brand? Is it called by something else as well? Looks like they are made by Nexen, who has very, very hard tires, IE 320-400 treadwear rating, that's hard economy stuff. But these are likely to be softer, hard to find info on them though.

 

Edit, looks like 320 which is a firm tire. It may something different on your tires however. 

 

 

 

Wear rate isn't important to me, its grip, my safety and that of my family is of utmost importance. On my own I do drive, as mdooher said, like I stole it, hence I want all weather grip and feedback.

 

 

 

Well this is why treadwear rating is important. You can get ultra sticky but short lasting tires, or hard and long lasting. 

 

 

 

I've followed someone over the kaimais and wondered why the hell they were driving so slow, is it lack of confidence, ability? Stopping in Matamata near them, I looked at their tires and saw, sure enough, cheap chinese tires, why have a RWD 2.5L V6 if you are going to put the crappiest tires on? 

 

 

 

Maybe simply weren't in a hurry? Perhaps they can push their tires if they want to? 

 

 

 

Sorry, rant over, I just hate that accidents could be avoided, and me allowed to drive at 120 rather than 90, if people had decent tyres on their car. You'd think LTNZ and NZ police might have cottoned on to that by now.

 

 

 

You won't find much sympathy here, if you want to go faster than the speed limit, do track days. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, rated at 320 for the Roadstone.  hadn't heard of them either prior to seeing them on Hyperdrive. So I compared to others on tyrereviews.co.uk and took the plunge, and they have the same treadwear rating as PS4, and only 20 more than Eagle F1s I previously had, hence why I guess grip levels feel the same.

 

I'm not looking for sympathy, but my comment was out of context, I meant if we had a better quality of tyre across the NZ fleet, then perhaps some roads could be 110-120 due to the average stopping distance being shorter. I personally hate low budget and think they should be made illegal. When I bought my Passat it had Bridgestone supercats, seemed fine the first weekend in the dry, then in the wet the following week driving gingerly down Tamaki Drive on the Auckland waterfront and I had a wee 4 wheel slide at 50kmh. I assumed it was perhaps diesel on the road, but when it happened twice more I realized it was more than that. Googling it I discovered the tires were budget, and so that weekend spent $1200 on replacing my tires.  If I was having low speed slides in an AWD car, I shudder to think what its like for people in light weight FWD cars with skinny tires.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  #2524163 16-Jul-2020 14:27
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Dingbatt:

 

The coarseness of the chip used in NZ roads drives me nuts, so I think I’m going to have to compromise some economy to increase aural comfort. Does anyone have any comment on which tread patterns are quieter?

 

 

I swear there are some roads in Northland that are absurdly loud. This week I was seriously thinking about ear plugs due to the constant roar, I had my stereo up much higher than normal too.

 

I'm not sure what the solution is, generally the noise is caused by the air gaps in the tire (and the road I guess), so perhaps a directional tire may be quieter than a run of the mill asymmetric tire, but that's purely a guess.

 

 

 

In regards to the Roadstone Debate, I looked up the prices between the following in 205/50/16.

 

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 $331 each. Treadwear Rating 320

 

Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 $275 each. Treadwear Rating 300

 

Roadstone Eurovis Sport 4 $232 each. Treadwear Rating 320

 

 

 

So what are you getting for your money with the Michelins? 


 
 
 
 


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  #2524165 16-Jul-2020 14:34
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What about traction, speed and noise rating?




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  #2524174 16-Jul-2020 14:58
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myopinion:

 

What about traction, speed and noise rating?

 

 

They all had the same speed rating, V. Honestly it's like pulling teeth trying to get all the numbers from the same place. I'm not really sure how relevant speed rating is anymore. At the driver training courses I did the work car might've seen 150kmh tops, and that was out of sheer boredom. The Civic might see 200kmh absolute tops round Pukekohe, but that's it.

 

Actually it may not anymore given the track layout change. 


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  #2524175 16-Jul-2020 15:00
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mudguard:

 

Dingbatt:

 

The coarseness of the chip used in NZ roads drives me nuts, so I think I’m going to have to compromise some economy to increase aural comfort. Does anyone have any comment on which tread patterns are quieter?

 

 

I swear there are some roads in Northland that are absurdly loud. This week I was seriously thinking about ear plugs due to the constant roar, I had my stereo up much higher than normal too.

 

I'm not sure what the solution is, generally the noise is caused by the air gaps in the tire (and the road I guess), so perhaps a directional tire may be quieter than a run of the mill asymmetric tire, but that's purely a guess.

 

 

 

In regards to the Roadstone Debate, I looked up the prices between the following in 205/50/16.

 

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 $331 each. Treadwear Rating 320

 

Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 $275 each. Treadwear Rating 300

 

Roadstone Eurovis Sport 4 $232 each. Treadwear Rating 320

 

 

 

So what are you getting for your money with the Michelins? 

 

 

 

 

not sure what you can do about some of the absurdly noisy chip seal. It is a welcome relief when you go from chip to nice asphalt and hear, in my case anyway, quite literally, nothing, no road noise.

 

In regards to the Michelins, exactly, no idea. Personally I would take the F1s, as they offer more feel. I didn't even want the PS4 but the salesman at Hyperdrive convinced me they were the mutts nutts 3 years ago, but I can feel mutts nutts, couldn't feel these tires, hence I moved two to the back and got the EAgles up front. I did want the RE003 as they were awesome on my Saab 9-5 Dame Edna, but they weren't on special at the special at the time, and for 235/45/17 the price was more than I was prepared to pay. In retrospect glad I didn't, as in addition to my Passat I was running a Pug 407 SW 2.7HDI as well, and I chucked the RE003 on that. In the dry, brilliant, in the damp, the weight of the big diesel donk up front was too much for the front tires and pushed them a bit even at slow speeds.

 

I can only personally say I would have the EAgle F1s again, I would have the Roadstones again. I did have some Dunlop Sport Maxx RT on a Volvo S60 a few years ago, and they were noisy, great grip, but just really noisy on the English motorways. 

 

If I could get Uniroyal in NZ, they would be my tire of preference, I had Rainsport 3 on my old Merc C320 and they were amazing, great wearing, fantastic grip in wet and dry, looked fantastic and quiet. Reviews suggest that wasn't the case of everyone, but for some reason in a staggered setup on my Merc they just worked and suited me and my driving style.

 

So its hard to say what works for some and what works for others. A mate in England swore by Vredestein on his 530i, so I got some on my 528i, didn't like them, no feel and back end was a bit loose. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2524934 17-Jul-2020 19:16
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My Toyo Proxes are good in both dry & wet...better than Bridgestone Turanzas where ESC came on when taking a sharp bend...

Michelins are expensive because apparently, they don’t lose grip even when worn to the thread wear indicators...

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  #2524942 17-Jul-2020 19:24
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I just had 2 bridgestones fail to meet warrant standards because they are perishing. Even though they have a year or more of tread left in them. Never had this happen before. 

 

They  said that they must have supplied me with really old tyres (but sold as new) for this to happen. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2524982 17-Jul-2020 20:55
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surfisup1000:

I just had 2 bridgestones fail to meet warrant standards because they are perishing. Even though they have a year or more of tread left in them. Never had this happen before. 


They  said that they must have supplied me with really old tyres (but sold as new) for this to happen. 



How long have you had them? Bridgestone mention 10 years as limit. Hard to imagine tyres being that old unless you hardly use the car. https://www.bridgestonetyres.co.nz/tyre-maintenance/how-to-tell-age-of-a-tyre

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  #2526112 20-Jul-2020 17:06
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Bung:

 

They  said that they must have supplied me with really old tyres (but sold as new) for this to happen. How long have you had them? Bridgestone mention 10 years as limit. Hard to imagine tyres being that old unless you hardly use the car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think they are 2016....probably fitted them 2018'ish-- so 2 years old when they were fitted.

 

I think there is around 10-12 months of tread left on them. Couple of photos showing tread and cracking. Car is garaged all the time too. 

 

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  #2526123 20-Jul-2020 17:45
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what's the manufacture date code on the tyre say





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  #2526224 20-Jul-2020 21:10
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Batman:

 

what's the manufacture date code on the tyre say

 

 

The wof guy said 2016. 

 

 


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  #2526230 20-Jul-2020 21:33
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There is a 4 digit code on the tyre. What is the code?




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  #2526240 20-Jul-2020 22:09
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Several years ago I did a fair bit of research on tyres for my car and settled on Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3s. I was very happy with them.

 

When I came to change them I was recommended Toyo Proxes T1Rs as being better and slightly cheaper. That's all I've fitted on that car since then and I've done well over 300,000 km on several sets of Toyos.I highly recommend them, though I don't think they currently bring in a big range of sizes so you may not find the size you need.





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  #2526558 21-Jul-2020 14:17
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I was interested in seeking a source  for the Michelin Cross Climate tyres. they are highly regarded in Europe and comparative testing on the internet has been very positive. Autoexpress UK has a good breakdown of the testing and results.

 

 

 

I contacted the main supplier in 2018 and the reply was

 

" Thanks for your inquiry. Unfortunately Cross Climate is not a Michelin product that has been homologated for New Zealand roads so we are unable to import this tyre in any size."

 

Homologation is, of course BS for a tyre available elsewhere in the world.

 

 

 

I tried again just a few months ago............reply

 

" I have spoken with our Michelin expert who informs me we don’t bring the Cross Climate + into New Zealand as our weather doesn’t get cold enough for them to be effective. "

 

Guess they dont interpret Cross Climate  like they do a head office in France...or live in Otago

 

Other manufacturers are offering alternative models so i will keep looking

 

 

 

 


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  #2526628 21-Jul-2020 15:51
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I found getting to the bottom of tyres almost hopeless and frustrating

 

  • The EU, US and Japan all had their own tyre label regimes
  • I found that even if you found a tyre that appealed on one of the above regimes it may not be available in NZ or alternatively the one in NZ was not 'tested' to the before mentioned label regimes
  • Testing was from memory not necessarily done independently so being cynical on the automotive industry I couldn't help but speculate many companies may game their testing (as many car companies did with emissions testing)
  • Lab testing may not reflect (your) real world conditions e.g. what NZ roads are made from etc

     

  1. Rather than trying to find the perfect tyre by label I ask a reputable dealer for a couple of recommendations then looked that up to see how it fared on the various label regimes if I could find it as a starting point
  2. I also keep a record of how long tyres I have had lasted so I then could see the real world result (on wear)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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