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#2557145 4-Sep-2020 16:17

dejadeadnz:

Surely it is judges, not lawyers, who have the experience and qualifications to definitively lay out what the Land Transport Act says? Otherwise why bother with courts?

you've deliberately twisted my words as though I am suggesting some rule by lawyer's dictate to try and white knight for some guy scurrilously attack upon a cop just doing their job. The principles that I have repeatedly discussed are well-established.

I twisted nothing... you self-described as "someone who has the experience and qualifications to definitively lay out what the Land Transport Act says". Which is patently untrue, as I pointed out. What's more, based on that you said "you're in no position to debate the law with me". Even judges' opinions are subject appeal and reversal. It seems that in this forum you *are* claiming rule by lawyer's dictate over what opinions are valid and what are not. And, in this case, claiming to know that a cop was "just doing his job", despite having no actual information, barring a statement to the contrary.

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#2557178 4-Sep-2020 17:25

Frankv, it’s time you stopped digging. The authorities that I am talking about are not “opinions” - they are settled law not open to be just reversed or challenged because you feel like having a rant about it. The fact that you have chosen to just keep babbling qon when I have given you the legislation and source material to actually have a rational debate speaks volumes.

The NZ legal and constitutional systems are built on case law and all the principles that I have cited are backed by Court of Appeal and/or Supreme Court authorities, along with the supreme power of Parliament as the lawmaker. They are law unless you successfully challenge them in court and you won’t.

In general, decent humans do not impute motives of lying or worse upon people without furnishing evidence. Technofreak has provided none. Accusing someone of lying without producing any evidence or reasonable basis for that opinion, if you are talking about an identifiable individual, would be defamatory. Since this is a country of the rule of law, decency suggests that the argument is on my side. And given that officer has had some degree of training and the law on his side, I have a reasonable basis for concluding that he was likely just doing his job.

But keeping rambling away.

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#2557199 4-Sep-2020 18:32

Really??! I seriously hope this won't go through.

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#2557211 4-Sep-2020 18:58

sud0:

Really??! I seriously hope this won't go through.

It's already done, and apparently has been the case in some regions for a couple of months....noticed a community uproar? Nope. Storm meet teacup.

The last time the Police tried a zero tolerance it was a complete failure and the road toll for that period doubled. I give it 6 months tops before another high ranking officer comes up with a different bright idea.

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#2557238 4-Sep-2020 19:55

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sud0:

Really??! I seriously hope this won't go through.

It's already done, and apparently has been the case in some regions for a couple of months....noticed a community uproar? Nope. Storm meet teacup.

The last time the Police tried a zero tolerance it was a complete failure and the road toll for that period doubled. I give it 6 months tops before another high ranking officer comes up with a different bright idea.

It's doomed because too many drivers think cars are toys, roads are playgrounds, rules are optional, believe they are the worlds best driver

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#2557239 4-Sep-2020 20:05

What evidence do you think is suitable? The event occurred over 10 years ago. If you won't accept what I said as the truth then you must be calling me a liar which is exactly what I understand you are really saying. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Frankly I don't care whether you believe me or not.

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#2557245 4-Sep-2020 20:18

It's not easy to maintain 30 km/hr going downhill. I try to do it in Auckland CBD but I end up spending more time looking at the speedo than on the road and have had a few close calls.

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#2557297 4-Sep-2020 21:20

It's doomed because too many drivers think cars are toys, roads are playgrounds, rules are optional, believe they are the worlds best driver

Yes. And they should be penalized, not us! It's impossible to always be below the limit, for so many reasons. That doesn't mean that I'll go over 140KM/h on a 100Km/h motorway. Zero tolerance is BS.

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#2557305 4-Sep-2020 21:53

sud0:

Yes. And they should be penalized, not us! It's impossible to always be below the limit, for so many reasons. That doesn't mean that I'll go over 140KM/h on a 100Km/h motorway. Zero tolerance is BS.

I am a great driver. It's always the other people. Cool -- we've heard that about 2000 times on here already.

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#2557318 4-Sep-2020 23:50

Please keep it civil, people. I have removed a couple of posts now.

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#2557320 4-Sep-2020 23:55

I don't really see anything new will come of this thread. Mods, please Just lock it otherwise it will get even sillier.

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#2557321 5-Sep-2020 00:00

Technofreak:

What evidence do you think is suitable? The event occurred over 10 years ago. If you won't accept what I said as the truth then you must be calling me a liar which is exactly what I understand you are really saying. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Frankly I don't care whether you believe me or not.

Actually, you would be wrong -- and this is increasingly a common event. You appear to very honestly believe in your version of the event and wish to maintain that it's true and beyond debate despite the overwhelming preponderance of evidence pointing to the cop just discharging his duty. I call that kind of evidence-denial ignorant and beyond reason. Plenty of people can both be honest yet completely unreasonable that way -- I did not, have not, and do not think that you are dishonest. So yet again please stop shoving words into my mouth.

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#2557357 5-Sep-2020 09:51

BlinkyBill:

I just wonder if these sensationalist posts are trolling.Because no sane person would reasonably believe they will be pulled over and ticketed for going 1 or 2 kph over the speed limit as a stand alone offence.

Maybe this post is trolling, actually.

In the last couple of weeks I have travelled the entire length of the south island, plus between Wellington and the Waikato, with cruise control set to 103 kph per Google maps GPS. I passed numerous police on these trips, not an issue.

... and what a pleasure driving SH1 north of Taupo with Auckland in lockdown, maybe we should wall off Auckland for good (-;

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#2557383 5-Sep-2020 10:59

dafman:
In the last couple of weeks I have travelled the entire length of the south island, plus between Wellington and the Waikato, with cruise control set to 103 kph per Google maps GPS. I passed numerous police on these trips, not an issue.

... and what a pleasure driving SH1 north of Taupo with Auckland in lockdown, maybe we should wall off Auckland for good (-;

Passing Police is one thing they have to be motivated to do something. Fixed and mobile cameras just take pictures of every vehicle exceeding a set speed. If you are already doing 103 keep an eye out for parked vans especially just over the crest of a rise.

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#2559647 7-Sep-2020 14:02

I think enforcing zero tolerance is ridiculous. If police want to fine me for it so be it but it is them that will look bad and have the repercussions to deal with. The police is supposed to be your helper in need and a person you can trust but this change will mean that private people making honest mistakes will get pinged eroding trust in all the police not just those policing the road.

On my motorbike the difference from 100-110 on the speedo needle is about 5mm. I can't tell if I am going a 100 or 105 at the best of times and as a motorcyclist I keep my eyes on the road because that's where the danger is. So if police find it important to fine me for small infringements they can go straight ahead. I'll still maintain that it is more important to me to see that a car driver is more concerned with fumbling on his phone than keeping to his lane.

But heck doesn't apply to me anyway as it will be quite clear that I was doing more than 100kph when they ping me ;-)

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