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Scott3

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  #2644278 29-Jan-2021 23:36
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Change a little, yes.

 

In my opinion, we\the Govt, need to take small steps in getting people to reduce emissions with vehicle choices.

 

A better way would be to encourage people towards hybrids and PHEV vehicles, then they can get a feel for electric running, then decide later on if a pure EV will work for them. A change to a pure EV is a big big change to there private transport.

 

To be honest, I had to replace my previous vehicle of a Cruze late last year, and a EV wasn't even a consideration, nor was a Hybrid or PHEV for that matter.

 

Only having 1 vehicle, that vehicle had to fill the role of family car, touring\traveling car, shopping car\everyday car.

 

And simply the range anxiety of a EV, just simply doesn't cut it to fill the above mentioned roles of the vehicle at the price point I brought at (mid $20K)

 

Also, not owning my own home and renting, means I don't have guaranteed home charging available to me. My current residence does have a garage where an EV could be charged, but if I were to move\have to move, there is no guarantee the next place would

 

On a road trip from Wellington to Tauranga over the Christmas break, we did make a couple of stops on the way up, (Bulls & Taupo), where we stopped at Bulls, I didn't see EV charging nearby, or where we stopped (Vivs Kitchen\25 minutes stopped) that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I just didn't see it.

 

And Taupo was, as you'd expect, crazy busy. Again, where I stopped (Taupo Cossie Club \ 45 minutes stopped), I didn't see EV charging there or nearby, again, that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I just didn't see it.

 

Yes, reduce emissions and every little bit counts, but take the public on a journey to EV's. As part of that journey, don't penalize those who can't immediately change

 

 

Even in the absence of plug in vehicle's a policy like this would be logical to decrease our fleet emissions. Alternatives are cranking the price of fuel up, which would be quite regressive, or subsidizing more efficient vehicle's, which would cost the taxpayer $$ and undermine non private car modes of transport.

 

In terms of serving people with a single car for everything, no off street paring and moderate budgets, something like a 2018 fielder hybrid can be had for $20,500, and come in substantially under the limit so would collect credits for the importer.

 

Should also note that many of the cars on our roads today will still be running for the next decade or two.

 

It is also likely that new car offerings will be cleaner by the time the policy takes full effect in 2025.

 



Re PHEV's, we don't really have time to spend 5 - 10 years working on a stepping stone approach, we need a fairly fast timeline for action. I also don't think the government should be picking technology winners, rather setting results based targets and letting industry / consumers pick the technologies that work best for them.

 

 

 

Re your road trip's EV comparability, Both Taupo & Bulls have fast chargers. The taupo one is about 1km from where you stopped. The bulls one is close to the main intersection.

 

You can look up charger locations here:

 

https://www.plugshare.com/

 

Click the three bars in the top left than set the filter so only CCS/SAE plugs show. That will get you all the chargers that are fast enough to be of value on a road trip.

 

Something like a Kona electric would only require one 20min stop. If you wanted a cafe meal when you charged you would need to pick one within walking distance.

 

At the moment the big issue is the cost of road trip comparable EV's. Cheapest used Kona electric on trademe is a $60k ex aussie damaged import. $20k only buys you a 24kWh leaf at the moment. Which would be very painfull to make that trip in (I say that as somebody that owns one). 

 

 


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  #2644287 30-Jan-2021 06:40
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I drove about 1700kms last week for work. I'd love an electric car, but it would add a large element of strategy to my work week!

 

I wonder how my fuel reimbursement would work if I suddenly jumped to electric as well. 


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  #2644289 30-Jan-2021 07:10
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2 days ago I drove from Huntly to Wellington in my 3 year old EV (Hyundai ioniq) - left Huntly with 100% charge having plugged in over night to 3 pin normal power point where i was staying. Hot day so A/C on all the way. Charged at Taupo where there are 2 fast DC chargers available, then charged at Waiouru where there are 2 fast chargers  available and then planned to charge at Bulls but the one charger there was being used so carried on to Foxton and charged there where there are 2 chargers available. 

 

Taupo charge was 35 minutes and cost $9.34 

 

Waiouru charge was 26 minutes and cost $10.69

 

Foxton charge was 18 minutes and cost $7.81

 

 

 

You can buy an Ioniq 2017 model for around $40,000. Service costs are minimal. Charging is not an issue as there are many fast chargers available - just look at the map showing Chargenet chargers here

 

https://charge.net.nz/map/

 

 




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  #2644302 30-Jan-2021 09:01
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Scott3:

Re your road trip's EV comparability, Both Taupo & Bulls have fast chargers. The taupo one is about 1km from where you stopped. The bulls one is close to the main intersection.



Hopefully without invoking Wheaton's law, I'd point out that Viv's Kitchen is actually in Sanson, not Bulls. There's no available fast charging in Sanson as yet. That'd mean 25 mins at Viv's Kitchen, and then another 25 mins up the road in Bulls to charge the vehicle - assuming it was free.

The government could go a long way to encouraging EV uptake if they were to partner / sponsor / commission many more chargers. Until people can see that EV is as convenient as liquid dinosaur (two fuel outlets in Sanson, three in Bulls that I can think of) range anxiety is always going to be a big concern.

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  #2644323 30-Jan-2021 09:26
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MikeB4: 

 

Bollocks, of course the Government should be involved. Replies in threads like this always show the force is needed to make people change.

 

I simply cannot fathom the desire to live in such an authoritarian nanny state. 





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  #2644328 30-Jan-2021 09:44
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Lias:

 

I simply cannot fathom the desire to live in such an authoritarian nanny state. 

 

 

Intervention is required to avoid the tragedy of the of the commons.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


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  #2644330 30-Jan-2021 09:52
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Lias:

 

MikeB4: 

 

Bollocks, of course the Government should be involved. Replies in threads like this always show the force is needed to make people change.

 

I simply cannot fathom the desire to live in such an authoritarian nanny state. 

 

 

You already do. Perhaps you should move somewhere more to your liking.




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  #2644362 30-Jan-2021 11:18
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Still has some time to bring something fun in before this hits. Otherwise what happens if you bring in a rolling shell and then fit an engine once in NZ?





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  #2644369 30-Jan-2021 11:33
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Ge0rge:
Scott3:

 

Re your road trip's EV comparability, Both Taupo & Bulls have fast chargers. The taupo one is about 1km from where you stopped. The bulls one is close to the main intersection.



Hopefully without invoking Wheaton's law, I'd point out that Viv's Kitchen is actually in Sanson, not Bulls. There's no available fast charging in Sanson as yet. That'd mean 25 mins at Viv's Kitchen, and then another 25 mins up the road in Bulls to charge the vehicle - assuming it was free.

The government could go a long way to encouraging EV uptake if they were to partner / sponsor / commission many more chargers. Until people can see that EV is as convenient as liquid dinosaur (two fuel outlets in Sanson, three in Bulls that I can think of) range anxiety is always going to be a big concern.

 

 

 

I have owned an EV for 3+ years now and regularly travel up and down the North Island. The ChargeNet collection of chargers has steadily increased over this time and it has only been twice in the 3+ years that I have ever had to wait for a charger. ChargeNet are continuing adding chargers every month and now most new sites have 2 chargers and some the faster fast chargers.  Doesn't seem to me that the charging network is an issue yet - it is the lack of affordable EVs that seems to be the reason that the uptake has been slow. 

 

Unless you are looking for a charger you won't see them because they are not set up with big signs etc like petrol stations but they are there. As previously referenced this site shows all the ChargeNet chargers

 

https://charge.net.nz/map/

 

 


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  #2644385 30-Jan-2021 11:55
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morrisk:

 

I have owned an EV for 3+ years now and regularly travel up and down the North Island. The ChargeNet collection of chargers has steadily increased over this time and it has only been twice in the 3+ years that I have ever had to wait for a charger. ChargeNet are continuing adding chargers every month and now most new sites have 2 chargers and some the faster fast chargers.  Doesn't seem to me that the charging network is an issue yet - it is the lack of affordable EVs that seems to be the reason that the uptake has been slow. 

 

Unless you are looking for a charger you won't see them because they are not set up with big signs etc like petrol stations but they are there. As previously referenced this site shows all the ChargeNet chargers

 

https://charge.net.nz/map/

 

 

We went up to Whakapapa in the weekend to ride the Sky Waka, and I was impressed to see two charging stations at the top (tesla anyway).

 

I hope someone in government is thinking about the wider impact of swapping to battery powered cars. As a society we've been great at creating tyre mountains, burying metal cars etc. Doesn't seem to be much focus on recycling and reusing some of this stuff. The thought of thousands of spent BIG LiON hybrid batteries needing management, and our general focus on racing to the solution, has me seeing battery mountains everywhere.





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  #2644387 30-Jan-2021 12:02
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richms:

Still has some time to bring something fun in before this hits. Otherwise what happens if you bring in a rolling shell and then fit an engine once in NZ?



Yip. 2022 is going to be a big year for high emission vehicle sales. Potentially a $10k saving on a new nissan patrol v8 relitive to 2023.

Re the latter point, if it requires a LVV cert, it would be exempt. Fine is only $25/g for use cars and $50/g for new cars, so likey not cost effective. (Unless you badly want an upgraded engine for other reasons).

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  #2644396 30-Jan-2021 12:38
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Change a little, yes.

 

In my opinion, we\the Govt, need to take small steps in getting people to reduce emissions with vehicle choices.

 

A better way would be to encourage people towards hybrids and PHEV vehicles, then they can get a feel for electric running, then decide later on if a pure EV will work for them. A change to a pure EV is a big big change to there private transport.

 

To be honest, I had to replace my previous vehicle of a Cruze late last year, and a EV wasn't even a consideration, nor was a Hybrid or PHEV for that matter.

 

Only having 1 vehicle, that vehicle had to fill the role of family car, touring\traveling car, shopping car\everyday car.

 

And simply the range anxiety of a EV, just simply doesn't cut it to fill the above mentioned roles of the vehicle at the price point I brought at (mid $20K)

 

Also, not owning my own home and renting, means I don't have guaranteed home charging available to me. My current residence does have a garage where an EV could be charged, but if I were to move\have to move, there is no guarantee the next place would

 

On a road trip from Wellington to Tauranga over the Christmas break, we did make a couple of stops on the way up, (Bulls & Taupo), where we stopped at Bulls, I didn't see EV charging nearby, or where we stopped (Vivs Kitchen\25 minutes stopped) that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I just didn't see it.

 

And Taupo was, as you'd expect, crazy busy. Again, where I stopped (Taupo Cossie Club \ 45 minutes stopped), I didn't see EV charging there or nearby, again, that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I just didn't see it.

 

Yes, reduce emissions and every little bit counts, but take the public on a journey to EV's. As part of that journey, don't penalize those who can't immediately change

 

 

Isn't the Clean Car standard already doing its bit to redirect people to PHEVs? 

 

As for Taupo, there's a 4 bay Tesla Supercharger there with a Chargenet charger bay next to it.


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  #2644398 30-Jan-2021 12:45
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mudguard:

 

I drove about 1700kms last week for work. I'd love an electric car, but it would add a large element of strategy to my work week!

 

I wonder how my fuel reimbursement would work if I suddenly jumped to electric as well. 

 

 

1700km over a week is not really much of a measurement or an indication that an EV wouldn't be an option for you. What was your greatest distance you travelled in one run without stopping? I'm assuming you went back to a hotel at the end of the night? There are many hotels now that have Level 2 chargers at them allowing guests with EV to fully charge overnight.


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Obraik:

 

mudguard:

 

I drove about 1700kms last week for work. I'd love an electric car, but it would add a large element of strategy to my work week!

 

I wonder how my fuel reimbursement would work if I suddenly jumped to electric as well. 

 

 

1700km over a week is not really much of a measurement or an indication that an EV wouldn't be an option for you. What was your greatest distance you travelled in one run without stopping? I'm assuming you went back to a hotel at the end of the night? There are many hotels now that have Level 2 chargers at them allowing guests with EV to fully charge overnight.

 

 

 

 

Longest haul was 350kms, I didn't have to stop for work. But I stop for breaks every ninety minutes, coffee, stretch, pee etc. I understand the hotels, but at this stage they are few and far between. And I imagine they won't provide that service for free for long. As for plenty of the motels, I can't see myself draping an extension cord out the window each night. In theory I could stop at fast chargers, as my work isn't appointment based. But it would be frustrating to need to charge in Cambridge for example and to arrive just after people started charging. What may have been a thirty minute stop might turn into an hour. And that's where it's difficult for me. Day one is 550 kms actually. 


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  #2644411 30-Jan-2021 13:40
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morrisk:

 

I have owned an EV for 3+ years now and regularly travel up and down the North Island. The ChargeNet collection of chargers has steadily increased over this time and it has only been twice in the 3+ years that I have ever had to wait for a charger. 

 

 

Out of interest, do you ever have problem with anti-social drivers using EV charging bays to 'park' regular vehicles? If so, does ChargeNet have any enforcement regime in place to manage this problem?


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