Clean car package

Forums › Transport (cars, bikes and boats) › Clean car package

1 | ... | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17

Obraik

2119 posts

Uber Geek

#2756064 6-Aug-2021 10:45

Technofreak:

The Clean Car Package may turn out to be the best thing New Zealand should have done but justifying it on the basis that this is what everyone else has done doesn't stack up unless you also compare countries that are very similar to New Zealand. Population density, population affluence, infrastructure, geography, public transport etc. All of these things affect where we drive, how far we drive, what style/size of vehicle we drive etc.

New Zealand isn't that unique.

Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits

GoodSync

GoodSync. Easily back up and sync your files with GoodSync. Simple and secure file backup and synchronisation software will ensure that your files are never lost (affiliate link).

Dingbatt

6736 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2756093 6-Aug-2021 11:56

Obraik:

New Zealand isn't that unique.

Okay. We are at the bottom of the world at the end of long supply chains. Our main resources are agricultural/fisheries. Those that aren’t, are deemed off-limits.

Our energy system is based on mostly renewable electricity generated at the opposite end of the our long narrow country from our demand. Other energy is mostly overseas sourced hydrocarbons. Our infrastructure is poor by developed standards, due in part to our relatively low population density and low tax base. Communities have developed around car use and public transport just doesn’t work effectively. Mass rapid transit is a joke.

On the world stage we don’t matter. If the alpine fault let rip tomorrow and pulled the entire country below sea level it would be like taking your finger out of a bucket of water (except for the tsunami threat caused by the earthquake of course).

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

Obraik

2119 posts

Uber Geek

#2756096 6-Aug-2021 12:04

Dingbatt:

Okay. We are at the bottom of the world at the end of long supply chains. Our main resources are agricultural/fisheries. Those that aren’t, are deemed off-limits.

Our energy system is based on mostly renewable electricity generated at the opposite end of the our long narrow country from our demand. Other energy is mostly overseas sourced hydrocarbons. Our infrastructure is poor by developed standards, due in part to our relatively low population density and low tax base. Communities have developed around car use and public transport just doesn’t work effectively. Mass rapid transit is a joke.

On the world stage we don’t matter. If the alpine fault let rip tomorrow and pulled the entire country below sea level it would be like taking your finger out of a bucket of water (except for the tsunami threat caused by the earthquake of course).

Okay. We are at the bottom of the world at the end of long supply chains. Our main resources are agricultural/fisheries. Those that aren’t, are deemed off-limits.

And? This has little bearing on an EV subsidy being successful. Most people are not farmers. Most people live in an "urban" environment.

These are all reasons we should be promoting the switch to EVs. If you're referring to our power infrastructure, I'd counter argue that it's not poor compared to other developed nations.

Not sure how that's relevant. I never mentioned NZ influencing the rest of the world - as I said, we're late to the party.

Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits

RobDickinson

1518 posts

Uber Geek

#2756098 6-Aug-2021 12:06

I think we are somewhat beyond arguing over who should do more or go first on an international level.

antonknee

1133 posts

Uber Geek

#2756180 6-Aug-2021 14:17

With regards to the ‘complaint’ that government ignored Treasury advice – it’s worth pointing out that Treasury is just one analyst opinion out of many the government might ask for advice, and government are under no obligation to follow Treasury’s advice. It’s also worth remembering that Treasury are actually not particularly good at their job. You need only look at how far wrong they got things like unemployment and the their deficit forecast (40% out, just 6 weeks after the budget). Additionally, Treasury are upfront with the caveat that in many cases their analysis is surface-deep at best as they don’t have the time or resource or knowledge to do full analysis.

The feebate scheme is clearly working, given the uptick in EV sales and long may it continue to work. Like it or not, EVs are a big part of our transport future and we should not let perfect be the enemy of good in this area.

I can’t wait to upgrade my (new, petrol, but efficient and cleaner than most) car to an EV – once I have reliable access to home charging which I can’t do at my current apartment unfortunately.

Technofreak

6525 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2756350 6-Aug-2021 20:57

antonknee:The feebate scheme is clearly working, given the uptick in EV sales.

Being devil's advocate it could also be said, "The feebate scheme is clearly not working, given the uptick in Ute sales." 😎

Sony Xperia XA2 running Sailfish OS. https://sailfishos.org The true independent open source mobile OS
Samsung Galaxy Tab S6
Dell Inspiron 14z i5

jarledb

Webhead
3249 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2756367 6-Aug-2021 23:26

Technofreak:

antonknee:The feebate scheme is clearly working, given the uptick in EV sales.

Being devil's advocate it could also be said, "The feebate scheme is clearly not working, given the uptick in Ute sales." 😎

You mean the sales of Utes where the fees haven't kicked in yet? I wonder why that is happening....

Jarle Dahl Bergersen | Referral Links: Want $50 off when you join Octopus Energy? Use this referral code
Are you happy with what you get from Geekzone? Please consider supporting us by making a donation or subscribing.

Batman

Mad Scientist
29689 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2756383 7-Aug-2021 07:37

just seen even USA are about to have emission targets - apparently 50% EVs (not sure which type) by 2030. non hybrids already completely banned in UK 2030 and hybrids banned in 2035.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/05/business/tesla-snub-white-house-event/index.html

tdgeek

29581 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2756384 7-Aug-2021 07:57

Technofreak:

antonknee:The feebate scheme is clearly working, given the uptick in EV sales.

Being devil's advocate it could also be said, "The feebate scheme is clearly not working, given the uptick in Ute sales." 😎

It impossible to know if its working here. Ute sales skyrocketed for obvious reasons. When the feebate came out does that mean many bought one then? From what I see many who already ordered and had no need for a carrot, got cash. You would need to wait a year to see how it panned out. When monthly imports are 5% EV then quickly 15%, then 30% etc.

Technofreak

6525 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2756480 7-Aug-2021 12:07

jarledb:

Technofreak:

Being devil's advocate it could also be said, "The feebate scheme is clearly not working, given the uptick in Ute sales." 😎

You mean the sales of Utes where the fees haven't kicked in yet? I wonder why that is happening....

As you probably guessed my comment about the utes was largely tongue in check to show it is silly to focus on one metric.

To claim so early on in the feebate scheme that it is clearly working by the recent sales alone is jumping the gun a bit. There's no doubt people were holding off until the scheme was introduced. The publicity around the feebate scheme will have driven interest in EV's. The timing of arrival of EV stocks into the country also influences EV sales patterns. There's a lot of variables which only time will allow the true picture to emerge.

Sony Xperia XA2 running Sailfish OS. https://sailfishos.org The true independent open source mobile OS
Samsung Galaxy Tab S6
Dell Inspiron 14z i5

Dingbatt

6736 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2756485 7-Aug-2021 12:40

Technofreak:

As you probably guessed my comment about the utes was largely tongue in check to show it is silly to focus on one metric.

It has taken me a while to realise that if you want to use irony, sarcasm or levity, then you need to annotate a post as such. People who are passionate about a subject will tend to react in a focussed manner rather than a shrug of the shoulders.

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

Technofreak

6525 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2756490 7-Aug-2021 12:55

Dingbatt:

Technofreak:

As you probably guessed my comment about the utes was largely tongue in check to show it is silly to focus on one metric.

It has taken me a while to realise that if you want to use irony, sarcasm or levity, then you need to annotate a post as such. People who are passionate about a subject will tend to react in a focussed manner rather than a shrug of the shoulders.

So true, hence why I used the 😎 emoji in that post. Obviously I was far too subtle.

Sony Xperia XA2 running Sailfish OS. https://sailfishos.org The true independent open source mobile OS
Samsung Galaxy Tab S6
Dell Inspiron 14z i5

Obraik

2119 posts

Uber Geek

#2782046 22-Sep-2021 10:47

Looks like the "temporary" rebate period has been extended until March 31 2022 due to Delta.

Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits

RobDickinson

1518 posts

Uber Geek

#2782050 22-Sep-2021 10:52

Yeah, the temporary package will be extended until they get the legislation passed for the full clean car legislation

1 | ... | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17