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#2731636 20-Jun-2021 19:18

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Ranger 2.0 Bi Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 177

Mazda CX9 2.5 ltr Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 206

With the above I assume not all UTES are going to be taxed as per the new guidelines. Also having a UTE doesn't always mean they are as bad as they are made out to be.

There is no tax on utes, there is a tax on emissions.

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#2731637 20-Jun-2021 19:19

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sidders80:

Ranger 2.0 Bi Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 177

Mazda CX9 2.5 ltr Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 206

With the above I assume not all UTES are going to be taxed as per the new guidelines. Also having a UTE doesn't always mean they are as bad as they are made out to be.

There is no tax on utes, there is a tax on emissions.

Sorry that's what I meant not all UTES will be taxed for higher emissions

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#2731685 20-Jun-2021 19:30

I thought we all lived in a democracy, free to make our own decisions.

Telling people you can't drive a particular type of vehicle, unless you fit into a certain socioeconomic group almost smacks a bit of communism.

What's next ?

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#2731686 20-Jun-2021 19:31

sidders80: Ranger 2.0 Bi Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 177. Mazda CX9 2.5 ltr Turbo Engine emissions g/km - 206. With the above I assume not all UTES are going to be taxed as per the new guidelines. Also having a UTE doesn't always mean they are as bad as they are made out to be.

Going off on a side track for a second here - one of these vehicles is diesel and one is not. I expect these diesels will be under-maintained as they age into the the secondhand market as many consumer vehicles are. Imo there is one hell of a stinkbomb coming to urban areas with associated particle matter as this fashionable fleet ages.

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#2731687 20-Jun-2021 19:39

WyleECoyoteNZ:

I thought we all lived in a democracy, free to make our own decisions.

Telling people you can't drive a particular type of vehicle, unless you fit into a certain socioeconomic group almost smacks a bit of communism.

What's next ?

You can do what you like, no one is stopping you buying the least efficient thing on the market. You are incentivized to buy a vehicle with lower emissions.

We've done the same thing with other products, like cigarettes and alcohol, for decades.

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#2731689 20-Jun-2021 19:56

nakedmolerat: I love my UTE. I'm not a farmer. To me it's practical to own a UTE. I can chuck 5 bikes at the back on the weekends to the mountain bike track...

Agree. I expect most utes are similarly operating well below the rated carrying capacity. A ute tray is great for throwing stuff in and getting it out easily compared to a stationwagon or even a van. I've considered a ute a couple of times. At the time the second hand market was mostly in demand commercial vehicles with eyewatering kms. A fair number were petrol. I think that's changed a lot.

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#2731690 20-Jun-2021 20:00

This is a pretty misleading topic.

No-one is targeting utes. they are targeting all high emmission vehicles, and from what I've read in other threads, there are more efficent utes avaialble with no (or minimial) tax
No one is targeting farmers. The farmers in my family tend to have single cab utes, and don't need 3l v8s to perform their farming duties.
No one is banning utes - if you want to tow your 2.5 ton boat - you can still buy your ute. It'll just cost you a little more if you want a super powerful one.
Jesus - how many of you are expecting to buy new vehicles in the next 12 months anyway?
Hybrid and electric utes are on the market internationally. Clearly, we need to be encouraged to use more efficient vehicles here in NZ, hence the tax on high emission vehicles. Hopefully it will encourage vehicle impoters to bring in newer and better vehicles here

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#2731761 20-Jun-2021 21:17

@MikeB4:

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You are not correct regarding Tesla and EV towing. We have a friend with the Tesla SUV and he tows the same model caravan that we own very well due to the incredible torque available as soon as he hits the the go fast pedal. Our Rav 4 hybrid pulls our caravan effortlessly and when moving at low speed it using only electricity. Our Rav 4 (current model) has a braked tow capacity of 1500kg.

I said Telsa model 3s don't tow, which are the only ones that will qualify for the rebate. Based on the door handles, that looks like a Model X, Gull wing doors etc, which is a lot more expensive? For $175,000 you would expect it to tow.

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#2731768 20-Jun-2021 22:18

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I said Telsa model 3s don't tow, which are the only ones that will qualify for the rebate. Based on the door handles, that looks like a Model X, Gull wing doors etc, which is a lot more expensive? For $175,000 you would expect it to tow.

There is nothing stopping a Model 3 from towing. There are people in NZ with towbars fitted to their Tesla Model 3s.

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#2731772 20-Jun-2021 22:41

mattwnz:

I said Telsa model 3s don't tow, which are the only ones that will qualify for the rebate. Based on the door handles, that looks like a Model X, Gull wing doors etc, which is a lot more expensive? For $175,000 you would expect it to tow.

for $175,000 i expect it to tuck me into bed and clean itself

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#2731774 20-Jun-2021 22:56

mattwnz:

Because SUVs are the top selling vehicle in the US and most other countries. They drive higher than cars, and people feel safer in them with better road visibility. They can also be easier for elderly to drive and get in and out of. Normal cars are too low. Some elderly people hate getting into the mazda 3 because they find it far too low to get in and out of easily, and I thought it was quite a normal car height.

in my normal car i can't see anything at night coz half the cars have their headlights pointed straight into my eyes

SUV - i become those cars

not sure .. if you can't beat them maybe i need to join them

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#2731782 21-Jun-2021 00:14

jarledb:

mattwnz:

I said Telsa model 3s don't tow, which are the only ones that will qualify for the rebate. Based on the door handles, that looks like a Model X, Gull wing doors etc, which is a lot more expensive? For $175,000 you would expect it to tow.

There is nothing stopping a Model 3 from towing. There are people in NZ with towbars fitted to their Tesla Model 3s.

A towbar doesn't mean that it is used for towing. It could be used to fit a bike rack.

I have looked in the Model 3 owners manual and it has a warning stating that the Model 3 does not currently support towing. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision.

Source

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_3_owners_manual_new_zealand_nz.pdf

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#2731805 21-Jun-2021 06:53

Dingbatt:

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. It has endured asteroid strikes, volcanic eruptions, massive seismic events, multiple ice ages and biological extinction events. It has been far colder and hotter than it is now, and yet it supports life as we know it and is far from ‘dead’.

The difference is that other events had time on their side so the Earth gradually stabilised, as did the flora and fauna. 200 years of pollution has rapidly aged this Earth, many flora and fauna have gone and are going, too much, too fast, to adapt. That includes us

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#2731808 21-Jun-2021 07:09

mattwnz:
A towbar doesn't mean that it is used for towing. It could be used to fit a bike rack.

I have looked in the Model 3 owners manual and it has a warning stating that the Model 3 does not currently support towing. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision.

Source

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_3_owners_manual_new_zealand_nz.pdf

That could just be US market influence. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision, that is a true statement. Our previous Suzuki had a similar reason in the handbook why towing wasn't supported by the manufacturer. In the rest of the world the manuals had a chapter on "Safe towing". The difference seems to be that the US doesn't have the same limits on how fast you can tow. Tesla US will know that some idiot will try towing a large U-Haul moving trailer on the freeway and sue Tesla after the accident.

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#2731809 21-Jun-2021 07:12

Bung:
mattwnz:

A towbar doesn't mean that it is used for towing. It could be used to fit a bike rack.

I have looked in the Model 3 owners manual and it has a warning stating that the Model 3 does not currently support towing. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision.

Source

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_3_owners_manual_new_zealand_nz.pdf

That could just be US market influence. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision, that is a true statement. Our previous Suzuki had a similar reason in the handbook why towing wasn't supported by the manufacturer. In the rest of the world the manuals had a chapter on "Safe towing". The difference seems to be that the US doesn't have the same limits on how fast you can tow. Tesla US will know that some idiot will try towing a large U-Haul moving trailer on the freeway and sue Tesla after the accident.

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