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#2731810 21-Jun-2021 07:20

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Dingbatt:

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. It has endured asteroid strikes, volcanic eruptions, massive seismic events, multiple ice ages and biological extinction events. It has been far colder and hotter than it is now, and yet it supports life as we know it and is far from ‘dead’.

The difference is that other events had time on their side so the Earth gradually stabilised, as did the flora and fauna. 200 years of pollution has rapidly aged this Earth, many flora and fauna have gone and are going, too much, too fast, to adapt. That includes us

You missed the point. The planet will be just fine. Human living conditions may be a different story.

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#2731811 21-Jun-2021 07:35

Handle9:

You can do what you like, no one is stopping you buying the least efficient thing on the market. You are incentivized to buy a vehicle with lower emissions.

We've done the same thing with other products, like cigarettes and alcohol, for decades.

This isn't entirely true - you can't just import whatever you like. We already have emissions standards in place which a vehicle has to meet before it can be registered.

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#2731816 21-Jun-2021 07:59

Dingbatt:

You missed the point. The planet will be just fine. Human living conditions may be a different story.

Climate Change threads are not based on the Earth they are based on humans living on the Earth

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#2731818 21-Jun-2021 08:14

Dingbatt:

You missed the point. The planet will be just fine. Human living conditions may be a different story.

Not saying don't try, but even if you wipe out every single ICE on the planet there is no guarantee it will stop the change in climate. On the brigher side Southland could be more desirable though it's Russia (? and China, Canada) who will rule the planet. You think Putin and Xi don't know that already... National MPs - Auckland house price...

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#2731836 21-Jun-2021 08:34

tdgeek:

Dingbatt:

You missed the point. The planet will be just fine. Human living conditions may be a different story.

Climate Change threads are not based on the Earth they are based on humans living on the Earth

Oh is this (yet another) climate change thread? I thought it was about “Utility vehicles (sic) killing the planet”. Watch out for those acorns!

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#2731859 21-Jun-2021 09:25

tdgeek:

Dingbatt:

You missed the point. The planet will be just fine. Human living conditions may be a different story.

Climate Change threads are not based on the Earth they are based on humans living on the Earth

This time it is, though in the past it wasn't. Now whether humans are smart enough to stop it....

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#2731920 21-Jun-2021 10:12

I titled this thread a bit tongue in cheek as a paraphrase of the tone of the article I referenced. I wasn't taking a position but I thought the article raised some interesting points.

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#2731929 21-Jun-2021 10:31

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This time it is, though in the past it wasn't. Now whether humans are smart enough to stop it....

Yep, hence the thread of one option to make a difference, all pretty normal

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#2731937 21-Jun-2021 10:57

I don't think Utes are significantly worse than anything else on the roads in terms of planetary health (the problems with diesels is more with their human harming emissions than their planet harming emissions).

I think the Govt not extending tax deductibility to low emissions vehicles speaks volumes about their lack of foresight and green credentials.

Never fear, humans are an intra-ice age species and our days are numbered. If the increasingly vicious viruses that mother nature brews up don't purge the planet, the next ice age (which is nearly overdue) will. Significantly more species are extinct than living (due to natural causes too), and human's will soon join the long catalogue of once-were species.

The mistake most humans make is thinking that the status quo is normal - well it is normal to us, but it is abnormal for the planet - just compared to any point is history outside of the last 10,000 years.

Just take sea level rise - many people are in a flap about it, but sea level change is totally normal and the stability we are used to is actually quite abnormal. It has simply been unusually stable for the last 8,000 years - or for the living memory of humans. Normality returns and we panic like ants flooded out by the first rain of the new winter - ? Here is an interesting Wikipedia page on the subject that will illuminate some of the falling acorns.

Climate change mania has adopted the strategies of all the successful Religions , from vicious denunciation of the critical thinkers, and ignoring history greater than 5,000 years old, and government pressure to join the club, and prophesies of apocalyptic events that will wipe out humanity, and changing the rules as unfavourable evidence mounts, to my favourite, untestable theories that will only be proven true or false long after you and I have shuffled off our mortal coils so we'll never know who was right.

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#2731942 21-Jun-2021 11:13

mattwnz:

A towbar doesn't mean that it is used for towing. It could be used to fit a bike rack.

I have looked in the Model 3 owners manual and it has a warning stating that the Model 3 does not currently support towing. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of collision.

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https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_3_owners_manual_new_zealand_nz.pdf

The Model 3 was sold with a tow package in Europe (including the UK). That package never made it to NZ but Tesla did certify it for towing in Australia where it got a 910kg braked tow capacity. Despite no official option, plenty of people have added a tow bar and tow with it in NZ.

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#2731944 21-Jun-2021 11:22

Good luck when that warranty claim is denied in NZ and you say “but it’s certified for towing in Australia and the UK”.

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#2731945 21-Jun-2021 11:25

Rikkitic:

I titled this thread a bit tongue in cheek as a paraphrase of the tone of the article I referenced. I wasn't taking a position but I thought the article raised some interesting points.

More like sticking your tongue into a wasp’s nest.

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#2731946 21-Jun-2021 11:29

Dingbatt:

Good luck when that warranty claim is denied in NZ and you say “but it’s certified for towing in Australia and the UK”.

The warranty question is why I haven't done it myself yet. IANAL, but I would think the CGA would cover you against Tesla outright voiding the warranty simply because a tow bar was installed - wouldn't they have to prove that the towbar caused the fault they're refusing to repair? Probably not a discussion for this thread though.

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#2731997 21-Jun-2021 11:46

I dunno, but it seems to me that a towbar is strong evidence of towing in the event of a fault that could be associated with towing.

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#2732006 21-Jun-2021 12:08

Obraik:

Dingbatt:

Good luck when that warranty claim is denied in NZ and you say “but it’s certified for towing in Australia and the UK”.

The warranty question is why I haven't done it myself yet. IANAL, but I would think the CGA would cover you against Tesla outright voiding the warranty simply because a tow bar was installed - wouldn't they have to prove that the towbar caused the fault they're refusing to repair? Probably not a discussion for this thread though.

And those that have done it may want to consider (or find out) if they have insurance cover whilst towing in NZ.

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