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  #2835277 18-Dec-2021 15:01
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@martyyn oops I am sorry, did not realise that.

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  #2835363 19-Dec-2021 08:31
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mattwnz:

 

I wonder how quickly they would have built it in China. It does feel like they have been building it for a very long time. 

 

 

Well for comparison, China built a new Motorway section in Pakistan a few years ago.. 6 lane, 392km long, completed in 39 months at a cost of aprox 4.3 billion NZ. Doesn't compare well to TG being four lane, 27km long, incomplete after 87 months at a cost of aprox 1.25 billion NZ. 





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  #2835370 19-Dec-2021 09:25
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The Pakistan motorway is part of China's strategic link to Europe and was built by the China State Construction Engineering Company. The true cost is probably only known by the Chinese.



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Lias:

 

mattwnz:

 

I wonder how quickly they would have built it in China. It does feel like they have been building it for a very long time. 

 

 

Well for comparison, China built a new Motorway section in Pakistan a few years ago.. 6 lane, 392km long, completed in 39 months at a cost of aprox 4.3 billion NZ. Doesn't compare well to TG being four lane, 27km long, incomplete after 87 months at a cost of aprox 1.25 billion NZ. 

 

 

Yeah we should of totally had China build transmission Gully.

 

Highway flyover collapses in China, killing four | Stuff.co.nz


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  #2835871 20-Dec-2021 10:26
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Some motorists have driven TG by accident...

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/127287665/accidental-transmission-gully-user-scared-and-impressed-by-experience

 

 

 

 

From my understanding the road is done, they're just working through a backlog of Quality Assurance and consents which are required before the construction consortium can "hand over" the assets to the owner (Waka Kotahi) and the maintenance contractors (the same construction consortium). Some of those consents can't be started until the parts of the project they cover are completed, and as they've been so behind schedule it's all turned out to be last minute. 

 

The whole project has been a successful example of how not to deliver a large project, and why Clients shouldn't award work to large international project management companies. 

 

EDIT: Missed my point, basically they could open the road under TTM if they wanted to, but it would legally be unwise to do so as not all the structures and earthworks are fully consented and signed off. 





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  #2835874 20-Dec-2021 10:28
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Accidentally???? Yeah right. If they did not seen the cones, road closed, several barriers then they either, telling porkies, blind, stupid or all of these and should not hold a driving license.



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  #2835876 20-Dec-2021 10:34
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One assumes they’d moved the cones at some point




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  #2835879 20-Dec-2021 10:46
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MikeB4: Accidentally???? Yeah right. If they did not seen the cones, road closed, several barriers then they either, telling porkies, blind, stupid or all of these and should not hold a driving license.


You are assuming that on the night in question that the cones, signs and barriers were installed. I've been abused before for being on a closed section of road when there were no signs up until after I'd turned into the street. That was when a crane was being erected.

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  #2835882 20-Dec-2021 10:55
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Bung:

You are assuming that on the night in question that the cones, signs and barriers were installed. I've been abused before for being on a closed section of road when there were no signs up until after I'd turned into the street. That was when a crane was being erected.

 

 

Were you delivering the crane perhaps? 😀





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  #2835906 20-Dec-2021 11:18
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Bung:
MikeB4: Accidentally???? Yeah right. If they did not seen the cones, road closed, several barriers then they either, telling porkies, blind, stupid or all of these and should not hold a driving license.


You are assuming that on the night in question that the cones, signs and barriers were installed. I've been abused before for being on a closed section of road when there were no signs up until after I'd turned into the street. That was when a crane was being erected.

 

They have been there for months. several rows if cones, fastened markers, plastic barriers going right across the road and several large signs saying road closed positioned in the middle of each lane.

 


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  #2835915 20-Dec-2021 11:46
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MikeB4:

 

They have been there for months. several rows if cones, fastened markers, plastic barriers going right across the road and several large signs saying road closed positioned in the middle of each lane.

 

 

 

 

That's the Southern entrance going North. Agree that there is no way you could end up on it by accident. The Northen (Southbound) entrance is quite different. I have driven a little bit on the new road (just the lead up to the hill, and then under the bridge and back onto the old road - the way I think all traffic is currently being sent). If someone moved just the cones, I can see how it could happen. 


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dolsen:

 

MikeB4:

 

They have been there for months. several rows if cones, fastened markers, plastic barriers going right across the road and several large signs saying road closed positioned in the middle of each lane.

 

 

That's the Southern entrance going North. Agree that there is no way you could end up on it by accident. The Northen (Southbound) entrance is quite different. I have driven a little bit on the new road (just the lead up to the hill, and then under the bridge and back onto the old road - the way I think all traffic is currently being sent). If someone moved just the cones, I can see how it could happen. 

 

 

Yip, they were travelling South, and they are still finishing the tie in with SH59 heading to Paekakariki so the traffic is regularly moving around with lots of unclear markings and poor signage


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  #2835922 20-Dec-2021 12:03
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Maybe its the 70s protester in me but I feel that maybe the folks on the Kapiti Coast and the greater region should make the decision on behalf of the gateway partnership and the GWRC and dismantle the barriers, remove the cones, take down the signs and say there you go its bloody open and start driving on it.

 

Frankly with what the folks in Kapiti have to endure daily with the highway a carpark daily I am surprised people haven't already done this. I fear the bungling and incompetence is going to cost lives on the roads out of Te Whanganui a Tara this summer. Maybe it's time for the Hon Michael Woods to grow a pair and act.


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  #2835928 20-Dec-2021 12:16
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MikeB4:

 

Maybe it's time for the Hon Michael Woods to grow a pair and act.

 

 

He doesn't care,

 

because A) Labour hated the PPP,  and he wants to be no where near it, and

 

B) He's from Auckland and heavily into lightrail urban transformation  - He'd be all over LGWM if it wasn't such a dog..

 

From what I hear it was only the insistence of Grant Robertson that saved the Otaki-North of Levin Expressway at the last "re prioritisation" 


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