Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4

gzt

gzt
16815 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2875334 26-Feb-2022 16:15
Send private message

Imo that gap is not the problem at the moment. Building enough product to satisfy demand seems to be the major issue. I wonder how LDV is positioned for that. Imo utility is the most profitable market segment for vehicle manufacturers. Good move from LDV if they can keep up.

 
 
 

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).

gzt

gzt
16815 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2875335 26-Feb-2022 16:20
Send private message

VW has some large utility vehicles and a commitment to go electric. Bigger than anything I actually need but they are popular 😂

Wheelbarrow01
1692 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Chorus

  #2875902 27-Feb-2022 22:26
Send private message

insane: $80K is a lot for a ute that doesn't stack up well to the established ICE options. You'd have to be pretty set on going full electric.

Perhaps this is good for those who wanted to buy a Kona but were underwhelmed by the boot space and felt 400km of range was overkill?

Let's face it, tradies won't go electric until they look more badass than the alternative. First they went for Amarok's and then Rangers when those came out.

Perhaps this will force the hand of those other players and cause them to bring forward their plans.

 

I wouldn't bet on it - in the past few days Ford has released details of the forthcoming Ranger Raptor coming to NZ- a 3 litre twin turbo V6 petrol monster (292kw/583Nm). It's arguably what the first generation Ranger Raptor should always have been.

 

The only unanswered questions are how much it will cost, how much can it tow, and when I can have one lol

 

[EDIT: added extra detail]




gzt

gzt
16815 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2875905 27-Feb-2022 22:38
Send private message

America has the lead in production of electric utility vehicles by a country mile. Some are even reasonably priced. The first problem for NZ Is getting any in RHD.

The second problem - USA is just not good at exporting of small vehicles for some reason. They would be silly to squander the massive lead in electric utility vehicles but they probably will unfortunately.

Scott3

3897 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2875922 27-Feb-2022 23:53
Send private message

gzt: VW has some large utility vehicles and a commitment to go electric. Bigger than anything I actually need but they are popular 😂

 

Other than the crafter (large van which is available as a Cab Chassis), the only have, the Amarok. Which is available here with either a 132kW 4 cylinder diesel, or a 190kW (200kW overboost for short boosts) 6 cylinder diesel.

Next gen Amarok (Reveal in late 2022, for 2023 model year production)  will be based on the next generation ranger. Means it is likely to be a bit narrower than the current Amarok (which is quite wide).

 

 

 

Next gen (2023) Ranger is expected to be available with a plug in hybrid drivetrain by 2024. At 270kW output, it will be substatnially more powerful than the current ranger engine options which in NZ top out with a 147kW 4 cylinder turbo diesel. And likely will be the (non raptor) range topping power train option (with 4 and 6 cylinder diesel engine expected as cheaper options).

Given ford is going the plug in hybrid route (and VW is basing the amarok off the ranger), I wouldn't expect a pure electric Ranger / Amarok or Everest in the next 5+ years.

 

All that said, I am expecting the PHEV ranger / Everest to be a seriously compelling offering, but I would't be surprised by a $100k+ price tag on the better specification levels.


Scott3

3897 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2875924 28-Feb-2022 00:08
Send private message

gzt: America has the lead in production of electric utility vehicles by a country mile. Some are even reasonably priced. The first problem for NZ Is getting any in RHD.

The second problem - USA is just not good at exporting of small vehicles for some reason. They would be silly to squander the massive lead in electric utility vehicles but they probably will unfortunately.

 

I think the only ones actually delivering to customer's are the Rivian R1T & Hummer EV. Both very high priced (and quite short tray) lifestyle focused pick up trucks.

 

Rivian has commented to selling into RHD markets, so we should expect that at some point. Note that this will competed more with the likes of bigger Range Rovers, than rangers (Base will be cira $130k, top spec will be cira $170k

Hummer EV has a loaded weight of 4,103kg, so by far misses out on our light vehicle cut off of 3,500kg - means a max speed limit of 90km/h, so I don't think would be a good fit for our market anyway.

Lots of good prospects,in the USA, but the likes of the F150 lightning & Cyber truck are really getting a bit big for our parking spaces (and likely that 3500kg limit again). Also they sound like they are some time away.


 

I'm not a big china fan, but, Thanks to SAIC, this year we will have two open bed options (LDV e-deliver 9 cab chassies & LDV T-60 electric) to choose from. And with price points that are attainable for commercial users.


MikeAqua
7767 posts

Uber Geek


  #2876655 1-Mar-2022 09:10
Send private message

Scott3:

 

 

 

 

 

That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery.   I guess it's higher than the diff, at least,  I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.





Mike




Batman
Mad Scientist
29661 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2876662 1-Mar-2022 09:24
Send private message

insane: $80K is a lot for a ute that doesn't stack up well to the established ICE options. You'd have to be pretty set on going full electric.

 

this can be said of any electric vehicle (cross brand)

 

eg you can get a $100,000 Mercedes ICE or a $120,000 Kia EV or a $40,000 Toyota ICE


Obraik
2112 posts

Uber Geek


  #2876667 1-Mar-2022 09:31
Send private message

MikeAqua:

 

That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery.   I guess it's higher than the diff, at least,  I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.

 

 

The exposed back end will most likely have panelling on the production cars - I suspect they have it off for the press event.





Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits


RobDickinson
1516 posts

Uber Geek


  #2876668 1-Mar-2022 09:32
Send private message

Quite a few NZ companies are looking to decarbonise their fleet and this will do well, theres more to it than just the purchase price. 


Scott3

3897 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2877089 1-Mar-2022 16:56
Send private message

MikeAqua:

 

That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery.   I guess it's higher than the diff, at least,  I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.

 

 

Battery being exposed is pretty typically on EV's. For example:

 

Kona EV:

 

2019 Hyundai Kona Electric review – Australian launch (video) -  PerformanceDrive

 

Tesla model 3:

 

Rare photo of the underside of a Model S--now you know why no other  production car can match it's aerodynamics : r/teslamotors

 

Polestar2:

 

 



Obviously more areo treatment on the Model 3 & polestar than the kona & LDV ute, but they are all the same with regards to the metal bottom being exposed. I think the bottom functions as Armour, and it needs to be something decent to cause damage. (there was a high profile incident where a model S ran over the tow hitch (removable) of a pick up truck in the USA, which punctured the pack.

As you say, the diff appears to be is the lowest point. Based on 4x4 / pre-runner hilux, this will sit cira 210mm above the ground. Means the ute will have  the same ground clearance as one from another brand running similar size tires more clearance than a ute like the hilux workmate (or the rwd navara I learnt to drive in). Obviously the presence of battery in the middle will cut into ramp over angle compared to modern 4x4 and high 2wd utes (i.e. pre-runner / Hi-rider).

Most venerable bit to me looks to be just to the right of the diff. There looks to be a path where debree  of a certain height could pass cleanly under the batteery & axle, but snag on the motor housing which looks to be soft aluminum.

 

 

 

The cooling hoses & Power wires between the chassis & motor are going to see a lot of flexing on bumpy roads.

 

The rearmost box I think is the charger. Seems to mounted on a really solid bracket, and tucked quite out of the way, so I can't see that causing an issue.

 



Obraik:

 

The exposed back end will most likely have panelling on the production cars - I suspect they have it off for the press event.

 

 

Seems unlikley:

 

1: Diesel / petrol utes don't tend to have any paneling in the pictured area. Generally the likes of the spare tire, Diff, crankshaft, suspension components are all exposed.

 

2: It's a lower end ute. A segment where costs are cut where possible

 

3: how would paneling even work? The most exposed but is the Motor, but that is bouncing around on the live axle. Don't really want to mount anything more on it (adds even more unstrung weight), and if mounted on the body, it would need to accommodate full supervention travel downwards, which seriously cut into ground clearance with suspension compressed.


Obraik
2112 posts

Uber Geek


  #2877200 1-Mar-2022 19:48
Send private message

I'd just like to point out that's a Model S, not a 3 🤓

 

For some reason I remember seeing utes with protection panels underneath the motor and transmission. In the case of a RWD EV, this would be in the rear instead.





Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits


Scott3

3897 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2877404 1-Mar-2022 21:33
Send private message

Obraik:

 

I'd just like to point out that's a Model S, not a 3 🤓

 

For some reason I remember seeing utes with protection panels underneath the motor and transmission. In the case of a RWD EV, this would be in the rear instead.

 



Yes, on closer inspection you are correct, that is a model S.

 

Regarding Ute bash plates, yes they do typically come from the factory with some up front. I imagine the T-60 electric will be the same (protect the inverter and whatever auxiliaries are up front. Generally they are pretty flimsy, hence there is an active aftermarket, for better bash plates for various models of 4x4.

 

Here is a diesel T60.

2021 ldv t60 max 082

 

Metal under the sump pan, plastic everywhere else. No guarding under the likes of the exhaust. Flimsy shield under the fuel tank.

And the rear of the diesel T-60. Same basic configuration as most Thai built utes:



And for comparison the underside of a 4x4 hilux:

 

https://youtu.be/GsDlcA36ulk

Note the transfer case (Silver bit near the timestamp of the above video), isn't covered by the main bashplates, and just has a tiny guard on it, and bolted to the case itself. LDV could do something similar with the rear motor without too much effort.

 

But a tiny motor mounted guard is about the limit. The decision to mount motor on the live axle means major bash plates aren't viable. As an example, here is a heavenly modified 70 series land-cruiser with a live front axle. Aftermarket Bash plates upfront, but no bashplates around the live axle.




 

One thing LDV could do is rotate the rear to raise the motor. (Limited by the clearance to the bed floor at max suspension compression). Rotating the diff would improve ground clearance anyway. (some military trucks have this setup for more ground clreance), plus it would move the motor away from the ground..

 

Much of this stuff is kinda Moot. This is a RWD ute, so isn't going to appeal to people doing tough off roading anyway. And it looks to have more ground clearance than most cars, so will be fine for on road duty.


gzt

gzt
16815 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2877412 1-Mar-2022 21:45
Send private message

NZ preorders open for delivery Summer 2022

https://ldv.co.nz/electric-t60-ute

Um..December? : )


Scott3

3897 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2877423 1-Mar-2022 22:36
Send private message

gzt: NZ preorders open for delivery Summer 2022

https://ldv.co.nz/electric-t60-ute

Um..December? : )

 

With spec sheet:

 

https://glmdfilehosting.com/specs-ldv/et60-specs.pdf

 

Not much on it, however a single spec is to be available, the "Elite":

 

  • the full range of colors will be available.
  • 245/70R16HT tires (HT = Highway terrain, Same tire diameter within 3mm as the diesel ones , but shorter sidewalls as the diesel gets 17 or 19 in rims.)
  • Same width, wheelbase and length as the diesel, but 36mm lower.
  • As with the diesel T-60 it gets disk brakes all around. Unusual for the segment. Drums are common at the back of utes.
  • Drivers & Passengers airbags are listed, but not the side & curtain airbags the diesels get. Assume this is likely just an omission.
  • Oddly "Headlight" is listed as an included feature.

 


1 | 2 | 3 | 4
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Samsung 9100 Pro NVMe SSD Review
Posted 11-Apr-2025 13:11


Motorola Announces New Mid-tier Phones moto g05 and g15
Posted 4-Apr-2025 00:00


SoftMaker Releases Free PDF editor FreePDF 2025
Posted 3-Apr-2025 15:26


Moto G85 5G Review
Posted 30-Mar-2025 11:53


Ring Launches New AI-Powered Smart Video Search
Posted 27-Mar-2025 16:30


OPPO RENO13 Series Launches in New Zealand
Posted 27-Mar-2025 05:00


Sony Electronics Announces the WF-C710N Truly Wireless Noise Cancelling Earbuds
Posted 26-Mar-2025 20:37


New Harman Kardon Portable Home Speakers Bring Performance and Looks Together
Posted 26-Mar-2025 20:30


Data Insight Launches The Data Academy
Posted 26-Mar-2025 20:21


Oclean AirPump A10 Portable Water Flosser Wins iF Design Award 2025
Posted 20-Mar-2025 12:05


OPPO Find X8 Pro Review
Posted 14-Mar-2025 14:59


Samsung Galaxy Ring Now Available in New Zealand
Posted 14-Mar-2025 13:52


2degrees Announces Partnership With AST SpaceMobile and Plans for NZ Launch
Posted 11-Mar-2025 10:05


Samsung Introduces New Galaxy A56 5G, Galaxy A36 5G and Galaxy A26 5G
Posted 9-Mar-2025 12:18


Cricut Unveils the Next Generation of Smart Cutting Machines
Posted 9-Mar-2025 12:06









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.







Backblaze unlimited backup