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insane: $80K is a lot for a ute that doesn't stack up well to the established ICE options. You'd have to be pretty set on going full electric.
Perhaps this is good for those who wanted to buy a Kona but were underwhelmed by the boot space and felt 400km of range was overkill?
Let's face it, tradies won't go electric until they look more badass than the alternative. First they went for Amarok's and then Rangers when those came out.
Perhaps this will force the hand of those other players and cause them to bring forward their plans.
I wouldn't bet on it - in the past few days Ford has released details of the forthcoming Ranger Raptor coming to NZ- a 3 litre twin turbo V6 petrol monster (292kw/583Nm). It's arguably what the first generation Ranger Raptor should always have been.
The only unanswered questions are how much it will cost, how much can it tow, and when I can have one lol
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gzt: VW has some large utility vehicles and a commitment to go electric. Bigger than anything I actually need but they are popular 😂
Other than the crafter (large van which is available as a Cab Chassis), the only have, the Amarok. Which is available here with either a 132kW 4 cylinder diesel, or a 190kW (200kW overboost for short boosts) 6 cylinder diesel.
Next gen Amarok (Reveal in late 2022, for 2023 model year production) will be based on the next generation ranger. Means it is likely to be a bit narrower than the current Amarok (which is quite wide).
Next gen (2023) Ranger is expected to be available with a plug in hybrid drivetrain by 2024. At 270kW output, it will be substatnially more powerful than the current ranger engine options which in NZ top out with a 147kW 4 cylinder turbo diesel. And likely will be the (non raptor) range topping power train option (with 4 and 6 cylinder diesel engine expected as cheaper options).
Given ford is going the plug in hybrid route (and VW is basing the amarok off the ranger), I wouldn't expect a pure electric Ranger / Amarok or Everest in the next 5+ years.
All that said, I am expecting the PHEV ranger / Everest to be a seriously compelling offering, but I would't be surprised by a $100k+ price tag on the better specification levels.
gzt: America has the lead in production of electric utility vehicles by a country mile. Some are even reasonably priced. The first problem for NZ Is getting any in RHD.
The second problem - USA is just not good at exporting of small vehicles for some reason. They would be silly to squander the massive lead in electric utility vehicles but they probably will unfortunately.
I think the only ones actually delivering to customer's are the Rivian R1T & Hummer EV. Both very high priced (and quite short tray) lifestyle focused pick up trucks.
Rivian has commented to selling into RHD markets, so we should expect that at some point. Note that this will competed more with the likes of bigger Range Rovers, than rangers (Base will be cira $130k, top spec will be cira $170k
Hummer EV has a loaded weight of 4,103kg, so by far misses out on our light vehicle cut off of 3,500kg - means a max speed limit of 90km/h, so I don't think would be a good fit for our market anyway.
Lots of good prospects,in the USA, but the likes of the F150 lightning & Cyber truck are really getting a bit big for our parking spaces (and likely that 3500kg limit again). Also they sound like they are some time away.
I'm not a big china fan, but, Thanks to SAIC, this year we will have two open bed options (LDV e-deliver 9 cab chassies & LDV T-60 electric) to choose from. And with price points that are attainable for commercial users.
Scott3:
That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery. I guess it's higher than the diff, at least, I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.
Mike
insane: $80K is a lot for a ute that doesn't stack up well to the established ICE options. You'd have to be pretty set on going full electric.
this can be said of any electric vehicle (cross brand)
eg you can get a $100,000 Mercedes ICE or a $120,000 Kia EV or a $40,000 Toyota ICE
MikeAqua:
That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery. I guess it's higher than the diff, at least, I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.
The exposed back end will most likely have panelling on the production cars - I suspect they have it off for the press event.
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Quite a few NZ companies are looking to decarbonise their fleet and this will do well, theres more to it than just the purchase price.
MikeAqua:
That all looks so ... exposed, especially the battery. I guess it's higher than the diff, at least, I used to own a 2WD ute with more ground clearance than that.
Battery being exposed is pretty typically on EV's. For example:
Kona EV:
Tesla model 3:
Polestar2:
Obviously more areo treatment on the Model 3 & polestar than the kona & LDV ute, but they are all the same with regards to the metal bottom being exposed. I think the bottom functions as Armour, and it needs to be something decent to cause damage. (there was a high profile incident where a model S ran over the tow hitch (removable) of a pick up truck in the USA, which punctured the pack.
As you say, the diff appears to be is the lowest point. Based on 4x4 / pre-runner hilux, this will sit cira 210mm above the ground. Means the ute will have the same ground clearance as one from another brand running similar size tires more clearance than a ute like the hilux workmate (or the rwd navara I learnt to drive in). Obviously the presence of battery in the middle will cut into ramp over angle compared to modern 4x4 and high 2wd utes (i.e. pre-runner / Hi-rider).
Most venerable bit to me looks to be just to the right of the diff. There looks to be a path where debree of a certain height could pass cleanly under the batteery & axle, but snag on the motor housing which looks to be soft aluminum.
The cooling hoses & Power wires between the chassis & motor are going to see a lot of flexing on bumpy roads.
The rearmost box I think is the charger. Seems to mounted on a really solid bracket, and tucked quite out of the way, so I can't see that causing an issue.
Obraik:
The exposed back end will most likely have panelling on the production cars - I suspect they have it off for the press event.
Seems unlikley:
1: Diesel / petrol utes don't tend to have any paneling in the pictured area. Generally the likes of the spare tire, Diff, crankshaft, suspension components are all exposed.
2: It's a lower end ute. A segment where costs are cut where possible
3: how would paneling even work? The most exposed but is the Motor, but that is bouncing around on the live axle. Don't really want to mount anything more on it (adds even more unstrung weight), and if mounted on the body, it would need to accommodate full supervention travel downwards, which seriously cut into ground clearance with suspension compressed.
I'd just like to point out that's a Model S, not a 3 🤓
For some reason I remember seeing utes with protection panels underneath the motor and transmission. In the case of a RWD EV, this would be in the rear instead.
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Obraik:
I'd just like to point out that's a Model S, not a 3 🤓
For some reason I remember seeing utes with protection panels underneath the motor and transmission. In the case of a RWD EV, this would be in the rear instead.
Regarding Ute bash plates, yes they do typically come from the factory with some up front. I imagine the T-60 electric will be the same (protect the inverter and whatever auxiliaries are up front. Generally they are pretty flimsy, hence there is an active aftermarket, for better bash plates for various models of 4x4.
Here is a diesel T60.
Metal under the sump pan, plastic everywhere else. No guarding under the likes of the exhaust. Flimsy shield under the fuel tank.
And the rear of the diesel T-60. Same basic configuration as most Thai built utes:
And for comparison the underside of a 4x4 hilux:
https://youtu.be/GsDlcA36ulk
Note the transfer case (Silver bit near the timestamp of the above video), isn't covered by the main bashplates, and just has a tiny guard on it, and bolted to the case itself. LDV could do something similar with the rear motor without too much effort.
But a tiny motor mounted guard is about the limit. The decision to mount motor on the live axle means major bash plates aren't viable. As an example, here is a heavenly modified 70 series land-cruiser with a live front axle. Aftermarket Bash plates upfront, but no bashplates around the live axle.
One thing LDV could do is rotate the rear to raise the motor. (Limited by the clearance to the bed floor at max suspension compression). Rotating the diff would improve ground clearance anyway. (some military trucks have this setup for more ground clreance), plus it would move the motor away from the ground..
Much of this stuff is kinda Moot. This is a RWD ute, so isn't going to appeal to people doing tough off roading anyway. And it looks to have more ground clearance than most cars, so will be fine for on road duty.
gzt: NZ preorders open for delivery Summer 2022
https://ldv.co.nz/electric-t60-ute
Um..December? : )
With spec sheet:
https://glmdfilehosting.com/specs-ldv/et60-specs.pdf
Not much on it, however a single spec is to be available, the "Elite":
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