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#2917826 24-May-2022 10:48

lchiu7:

I will make a call if I can live without these things but a jump to $95K is going to be hard to justify

Just add it to your mortgage. Isn't that what the others who buy expensive EVs do..

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#2917829 24-May-2022 10:49

lchiu7:

I will make a call if I can live without these things but a jump to $95K is going to be hard to justify

So with the RWD at $79k minus rebate, and the Earth AWD at $95k and no rebate, does that mean there is an effective $24k price difference? That is a big jump

Just looking at the Polestar specs and you have to pay extra for Adaptive Cruise control, which is an essential feature in any car I buy. But with the LR version at $79k, presumably adding this feature pack will push it above $80k, so you'd be paying an extra $8k on top of the Pilot Pack price. A major disincentive. Sorry, slightly OT

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#2917842 24-May-2022 10:53

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lchiu7:

I will make a call if I can live without these things but a jump to $95K is going to be hard to justify

Just add it to your mortgage. Isn't that what the others who buy expensive EVs do..

Don't have a mortgage. This would be a cash purchase :-)

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#2917877 24-May-2022 12:21

shk292:

Just looking at the Polestar specs and you have to pay extra for Adaptive Cruise control, which is an essential feature in any car I buy. But with the LR version at $79k, presumably adding this feature pack will push it above $80k, so you'd be paying an extra $8k on top of the Pilot Pack price. A major disincentive. Sorry, slightly OT

Just before heading back OT, when I was looking at the Polestar 2* I think the “Pilot Pack” (which includes adaptive cruise) was included on the long range FWD. So it just snuck in under $80K. They were doing a “launch special” when I was looking that meant the $1500 premium paint was included to keep it under the arbitrary rebate limit.

The EV6 kind of suffers from the same arbitrary limit.

* January 2022

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#2917888 24-May-2022 12:30

Dingbatt:

Just before heading back OT, when I was looking at the Polestar 2* I think the “Pilot Pack” (which includes adaptive cruise) was included on the long range FWD. So it just snuck in under $80K. They were doing a “launch special” when I was looking that meant the $1500 premium paint was included to keep it under the arbitrary rebate limit.

The EV6 kind of suffers from the same arbitrary limit.

Thanks, that makes sense although the current Polestar site indicates that ACC is only included in the Pilot Pack. It just seems such a basic feature on decent new cars these days, it's hard to understand why they would disable it on the base model.

Not that I'm seriously considering buying at this stage but it's interesting comparing the options

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#2917954 24-May-2022 12:55

It’s the standard European marketing model*. A base model car at a reasonable price that no-one but fleet buyers would purchase and then add-on packs that any sane private buyer always selects. Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, VW, etc, they all do it. With the P2 although there was all these options, what was mainly available in the first few shipments was the SR2wd+Pilot+Plus and LR2wd+Pilot. There was a handful of LRAWD+Perf for those with an unlimited budget. You could order a bespoke vehicle, but even back in January they were saying it probably wouldn’t arrive before the end of the year.
As I’ve said further up the thread the ‘Air’ models of the EV6 are outselling the higher models ten to one. But even the Airs come with the decent features you reference.

* As opposed to Korean and Japanese vehicles in NZ where there is a base, a mid and a top spec of vehicle with a fixed set of features, but you do get to choose the colour (sometimes).

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#2917975 24-May-2022 14:14

There was a carwow review (Tesla Model Y v Audi Q4 v Volvo C40)

The model Y is 10k more than the others until you spec them and then its 10k cheaper....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yod8xtmWUX4

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#2918439 25-May-2022 15:58

Just drove the EV6 today. I asked the dealer to explain all the differences between the GT-Line version and the one I might buy (entry level) and on reflection that would not make much difference to me.

There are tons of reviews online so I won't try to add my own. I only drove the car from Lower Hutt to Silverstream and back with a couple of stops.

A couple of personal observations

- single pedal driving was pretty good - only have experienced that before on the new Leaf

- the dash is pretty cool but (and the dealer said I wasn't the first to comment on this) the way the display is oriented (speedo on the top left, distance left on the top right) and a large car icon in the middle showing lanes et., in certain driving positions the top of the wheel obscures the speedo. That was my situation but once I stopped and adjust the wheel, it was better. And far better than the Model 3 where you have to look left to see your speed

- drove very nicely and good acceleration (but the GT Line might be better in that respect)

I don't think I would miss the GT-Line features such as blind sport mirrors (hardly looked at them), Meridian stereo, HUD (that would be nice though) and rear vehicle collision management. I actually inadvertently tested that out when I was backing out of the dealer driveway trying to go right and an oncoming car got very close. The car slammed on its brakes! The entry version only sounds an alarm.

My wife didn't like the looks to start with but maybe because it was white. It is also quite sporty looking - not quite your usual SUV but hopefully I can overcome that objection.

I might go with this if I can get the wife onboard. Her comment was, this is a guy's car! If I am going to spend $64K (after rebate) this is the car I would go for. But just to be sure going to test out the Polestar 2 in a couple of weeks. Also have to convince the dealer that if I put down $2K deposit it's refundable if my financial situation changes in the next 4-6 months and I don't want to fork out $64K for a car.

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#2918522 25-May-2022 17:02

EV6 is not a guy's car lol. maybe someone can define a girl's car ....

i tihnk she means it's too stylish

maybe you need to get a pink toyota bZ4X

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#2918542 25-May-2022 17:27

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EV6 is not a guy's car lol. maybe someone can define a girl's car ....

i tihnk she means it's too stylish

maybe you need to get a pink toyota bZ4X

If you can understand women then you have solved one of life's greatest mysteries. At the moment we have tested Kia Seltos (ICE) which she liked but we now want a EV, Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV (hated for some reason), Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (liked but it could be too large for the garage), Nissan Leaf (both hated), Ioniq 5 (I didn't care for it). Ford Escape PHEV - liked it but now want to move to EV. And rented the M3 for24 hours which we both didn't like - sits too low.

Interested in the Polestar 2 but can't test that out until June unless I pay Mevo money to rent one. Kia Niro EV (new model) looks good but even in NZ until end of the year and then no idea of availability after that.

I think she found the styling a bit too out there - not so conservative. But that's my car choice ATM.

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#2918549 25-May-2022 17:54

The EV6 is the same length but wider than the outlander, so you might have to rule it out if garage size is an issue

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#2918550 25-May-2022 17:55

shk292:

lchiu7:

I will make a call if I can live without these things but a jump to $95K is going to be hard to justify

So with the RWD at $79k minus rebate, and the Earth AWD at $95k and no rebate, does that mean there is an effective $24k price difference? That is a big jump

Just looking at the Polestar specs and you have to pay extra for Adaptive Cruise control, which is an essential feature in any car I buy. But with the LR version at $79k, presumably adding this feature pack will push it above $80k, so you'd be paying an extra $8k on top of the Pilot Pack price. A major disincentive. Sorry, slightly OT

The issue with the hard $80k boundary, any upgrade that trips it will be +$8650 more in cost to the consumer.

Which means they need to be seriously attractive, to be taken, shaping what brands can expect to sell in the NZ market.

The car I test drove was an AIR AWD. Only a very low volume of them were brought in specs arn't listed online.

One geekzone user purchased one, and stated the price was $88,990 (I assume plus ORC)

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=295561&page_no=7#2909166

From that we can deduce that the AWD upgrade is worth cira $10k, Air -> Earth upgrade $6k, Earth -> GT-Line $12k.

Other countries opted for different configurations.

For example, Aussie has 3 grades: Air LR RWD, GT-Line LR RWD & GT-Line LR AWD.

UK has 9 configs:

I think Kia NZ is pretty much on the money with the trim levels they have chosen to offer here. (but I think the AWD cars should get heat pumps).

2wd buyers are likely to be willing to give up features they would normally select to stay under the $80k cap, so little point offering higher spec packages on the 2wd LR model (and the 2wd SR is the entry model so should be bottom trim). Once people have broken the $80k cap to get AWD (with more performance), they are likely to want the extra features that come from the $6k more expensive earth than the air. (like 360 degree view, better seats, passenger power seat, seat & steering wheel heaters).

But the EV6 is going to be a big winner from the rebate cap. Getting the 2wd LR in under the cap (basically the only long range larger SUV to do so) gives it a big advantage over the likes of its stablemate the Ioniq 5.

Personally I think the $80k limit shouldn't exist (or at least like other markets should be for the base model of the car). I think it purely exists to avoid criticism of subsidizing the rich.

Without it, Kia could have formally offered the Air AWD, and for a hypothetical buyer that must have AWD (say snow sports insistent that wants to minimize putting chains on, the rebate would have brought the price down to $81k odd. Close enough in price to say A subaru outback AWD ($60k) to justify on fuel and maintenance savings.

Environment doesn't care if a person is changing from a range rover to a model X, or a 2WD hilux to a LDV Electric ute, emissions drop either way.

One issue with the current $80k limit, is it with current tech pretty much rules out any of the following getting rebates:

Anything AWD / 4wd
Any non-china utes
Any non-china medium to large van's (hiace size+)
Any nicer 7 / 8 seaters.

Would be good to have all of these on the road.

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#2918553 25-May-2022 18:01

lchiu7:

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My wife didn't like the looks to start with but maybe because it was white. It is also quite sporty looking - not quite your usual SUV but hopefully I can overcome that objection.

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Good to hear your test drive went well.

I found the Forrest green stunning in person.

Note the GT line has a different look to the lower spec's.

Details here.

https://electrodealpro.com/2021-07-08-32946-read-things-that-change-with-a-difference-of-880000-won-ev6-vs-ev6-gt-line-difference-summary-copyence-56/

Big difference is the lower spec's getting black wheel arches, and silver stripes near the bottom of the front bumper.

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#2918556 25-May-2022 18:10

shk292: The EV6 is the same length but wider than the outlander, so you might have to rule it out if garage size is an issue

1862 versus 1880 of the Kia so not a bit deal. It's more if we can fit our two cars width wise. Might have to move stuff off the garage floor and onto the walls.

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#2918573 25-May-2022 18:59

Salespeople are normally happy for you to try the vehicle in your garage. Especially if it is a second test drive. One even told me he preferred it because psychologically it got the customer picturing owning it.

It also allows you to figure how charging is going to work and if the vehicle is going to have problems with driveways, entrances, etc.

@Scott3 Glad to see someone else feels the same way about the arbitrary rebate limit. I have expressed my opinion of it multiple times in multiple threads. About the only benefit being that it forces retailers to provide something under that cap.

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