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#2920436 30-May-2022 15:28

We recently replaced (all 4) the tyres on our CX5. I had always moaned about the ride quality of the OEM ones (seemed excessively harsh in the rear) and even the subsequent set that we were now replacing suffered from the same. I had put it down to the suspension settings. But replaced them with the Momo M9 (https://www.hyperdrive.co.nz/product/107241/momo-italy-m9) tyres and was very surprised that the harshness has all but gone. The ride quality is now great; its not floaty or anything, still nice and responsive, just not crashy in the back. The only downside is that they are a bit noisier than the ones we were replacing, but imo a far better replacement.

Really happy in the end; somewhat surprised. Too soon to tell how they will wear, but overall really happy.

Just my opinion on our recent run :)

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#2920448 30-May-2022 15:48

Are the tyre pressures about the same? ~34 - 36psi?

wratterus

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#2920463 30-May-2022 16:01

Our Santa Fe has 235/55/19 - not cheap tyres at all in the 19".

Think they come from the factory with Hankook Ventus Prime 2 which seems to be a good all round tyre - might be worth looking at a set of those.

Edit - or the newer ones I think are a Continental Conti Sport Contact5

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#2920474 30-May-2022 16:31

For a left field approach, the new Kia Sportage rolls on Nexen NPriz RH7S.

I've got Nexen Nfera SU1 tyres on my 2020 Kia Cerato. No complaints with them to date

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#2920528 30-May-2022 16:56

Left field option for OP is to keep an eye on your tire-size on your used goods marketplace of choice.

A while back, when the 235/55R18 tires on our Lexus RX400h suv were approaching end of life, I picked up set of four Michelin Latitude Tour Hp tires (2x6mm tread depth, 2x7mm, cira 2 year old date stamp) for $350ish. kept in the garage for 6 months, then fitted for $125 ish. Was pritty happy. At the time those tires would have been $600 each to buy new.

So much more grip than the bridge stone ecopia's that they replaced (which were also perishing badly, despite being only 2 / 4 years old), but handling was noticeably softer (guess it is a comfort tire. Desipte being the same nominal size, the new tires were noticeably bigger in diameter. Speedo overread dropped from about 8km/h to 4km/h. That's way more than would be accounted for through tread wear.

I do run a lot more tire pressure than is on my SUV's placard 220kPa (31.9 psi), seems super low for a car that is 2000kg empty. Good for comfort, but the tires chew out on the edges running that pressure.

I probiably would have gone with coopers (either their ATT or CS5 ultra), if the above option didn't pan out.

Not so relevant for OP being in wellington, but I am very interested in what tire offerings costco is going to have when it opens in the next few months (Our leaf will need new tires in the next year). They have the potential to shake up the industry in the upper north island.

My above posts were on the assumption the OP wants a road tire (likely given they are running a 45 aspect ratio low profile tire). If they spend a bit of time on gravel / dirt / mud, some kind of tougher all terrain tire would be a good call, but likely would to downsize the rim's to find a set that fits.

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#2920532 30-May-2022 17:02

I reckon the manufactures PSI ratings are too low on low profile tyres - probably to keep the ride comfy. The Santa Fe Ltd for example is nearly 2t empty and can easily get to 2.5t or more when loaded up - the recommended 35 or 36PSI I reckon is too low. I generally run 40, and sometimes add a few more if going on a long trip loaded up. Might ride a little harsher but seems to wear more evenly.

Definitely notice uneven wearing when down around 35PSI.

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#2920537 30-May-2022 17:17

Senecio:

I put Michelin Pilot Sport 4s on my SUV first. Really great tyre as you would expect, but also as you would expect with a performance tyre the life wasn't great. I think I got about 30,000km out of them which isn't too bad but not great. I then put Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus on next and I'm really happy with them. I've not noticed any loss of performance in dry or wet over the Michelins but the tyre life is much greater. They about 20,000km on them now and look like they could easily get another 20,000-25,000km easily.

I also go them on a buy 3 get the 4th free deal so very happy with the value and performance.

Although, having just typed all of that, it doesn't look they are available in your size. I'll still leave this here in case it helps someone else.

Sadly not available in OP's size, bit I had Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus tires on our 2006 corolla.

Before that I had GT Radial Champero 228 tires (got them because they won consumers test for wet breaking). These were a nice proformance touring tire, Night and day difference vs the four mismatched economy tires which were on the corolla when I brought it from a 2nd tire rental company. No longer would I have to be super genital on the accelerator in the wet, to avoid wheel-spin.

I felt the Turanza Serenity Plus had a touch less grip (both wet and dry), than the Champero 228's. Still perfectly adaquite, and leagues ahead of the economy tires. Sadly the car felt floaty at open road speed's, where the Champero 228's had felt really planted. Tried to change by adjusting pressures, Not terrible, but I was a little disappointed.

I guess I was perhaps a little unrealistic in my expectations for a long life touring tire, coming from a proforamnce touring tire.

But, in the long life area, man did they excel. I can't exactly recall, but I guess the GT radial's lasted 40,000 - 50,000km or so. I sold the corolla about 2 years and 20,000km odd after I put the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus on, and the tread depth's were still 8mm - new tire is about 9.6mm) - For reference I think the GT radial had 6mm tread depth when new.

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#2920538 30-May-2022 17:26

Scott3:

So much more grip than the bridge stone ecopia's that they replaced (which were also perishing badly, despite being only 2 / 4 years old),

I had been wondering about Ecopias. It sounds like maybe poor lifespan is the price you pay in return for the supposed rolling resistance improvement?

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#2920551 30-May-2022 18:26

alasta:

Scott3:

So much more grip than the bridge stone ecopia's that they replaced (which were also perishing badly, despite being only 2 / 4 years old),

I had been wondering about Ecopias. It sounds like maybe poor lifespan is the price you pay in return for the supposed rolling resistance improvement?

Had 225/25/17 ecopias on our accord and i they were great till they got down in tread, sub 2.5mm got a little bit squirrely under hard breaking in the wet. but thats something i try not to do too often. I got about 60,000km out of them. I replaced them with Goodyear Assurance Tripplemaxx which i got 86,000km out of and they were also great, and have just put a set of Goodyear Assurance Tripplemaxx 2's on.

Have some smaller PZ-X's on out jazz and they have also been great.

Being an eco tyre they substitute a little in grip for endurance but its not much.

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#2920610 30-May-2022 19:41

Anyone used Tyroola?

Have noted they are cheaper for my tyres - but then you need to locate a local tyre shop to will do the fitting etc.

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#2920623 30-May-2022 20:21

alasta:

Scott3:

So much more grip than the bridge stone ecopia's that they replaced (which were also perishing badly, despite being only 2 / 4 years old),

I had been wondering about Ecopias. It sounds like maybe poor lifespan is the price you pay in return for the supposed rolling resistance improvement?

Firstly, Bridgestone use's the Ecopia label for many kinds of low rolling resistance tires.

I never had any issues with the Ecopia EP500's when I had a BMW i3 (Didn't need to replace them in my ownership, but being an oddball size they are known to be expensive).

Was not a fan of the EP850's that came on my Lexus hybrid SUV.

largest concern was the amount of perishing. My memory was kinda off. tire pairs were roughly 3 & 6 years after their date of manufacture when they wore out, but the younger pair was exhibiting some cracking, and the older pair a heap of cracking, despite being far less than the 10 year point bridge stone advocates for aged based replacement.

Photos in this two year old thread, I wasn't the only one with issues:

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=272761&page_no=3#2526834

Grip, especially wet grip was substantially less than the tires I replaced them with (admittedly high proformance touring tires), Don't think they were a great fit for a 2000kg empty suv, with a feeding most of it's 200kW to the frount end. Wore pritty quick too (but I havn't done enough KM on the replacement tires to determine their wear properties).

On the plus side they did feel a lot more planted on the open road than my new tires.

I don't think I would buy low rolling resistance tires for anything other than an EV that you want to eek out a bit more range from. I think you are correct that you trade off lifespan for low rolling resistance. For starters most rolling resistance tires start off with only 6mm of tread (also common for performance tire's).

Tire replacement has a significant financial environmental cost which should be considered if one is giving up wear life for better economy.

And you give up some grip too. The results from the 2022 Vi Bilagare test make this pritty clear.

https://alltyretests.com/michelin-e-primacy-test-review/

The low rolling resistance tires sit at the bottom of the test pack for grip (ignoring the one economy tire). Difference in fuel consumption between say the Michelin offerings was only 3%.

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#2920630 30-May-2022 20:41

Jase2985:
Had 225/25/17 ecopias on our accord and i they were great till they got down in tread, sub 2.5mm got a little bit squirrely under hard breaking in the wet. but thats something i try not to do too often. I got about 60,000km out of them.

I don't think any wide tyre does well in the wet once you go under 3 - 4mm. When I think of the older cars I've driven that only had 185mm tyres I'm not sure if it is need or fashion that requires 215mm and upward even on 1400cc vehicles.

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#2920650 30-May-2022 22:11

Just replaced a set of Continental Contisportcontact 5's which had done 55,000 km with a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S's. My initial reason for going with the Michelins was because if the good reviews and that I didn't think I was going to get decent mileage out of the Continentals. In the end I think the Continentals did decent mileage on a 1.7 tonne (unladen) V6 AWD sedan.

It's too early to get a good comparison but so far I'm happy with the Michelins. Time will tell how the mileage goes. Some owners were only getting around 35,000 km and less on the Continentals, which is way less than I got and I don't drive like a nana. Driving technique and the types of roads can make a huge difference so sometimes you have to take other peoples mileage with a grain of salt when deciding on what tyres to buy.

This guy does pretty good reviews IMO https://www.tyrereviews.com

One thing I'm happy to spend the money to get good quality for is tyres.

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#2920872 31-May-2022 13:18

Seems like the Michelin tyres are all pretty much sold out in my required size. Hyper only has two of them, but I'd prefer to buy a whole set at once.

Enquired with Beaurepairs but pricing didn't seem great.

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#2920877 31-May-2022 13:44

arnies:

Seems like the Michelin tyres are all pretty much sold out in my required size. Hyper only has two of them, but I'd prefer to buy a whole set at once.

Enquired with Beaurepairs but pricing didn't seem great.

Yep, I bought my Michelins late last year but only fitted them recently. Fortunately I started looking early and was able to get pretty well what I wanted. I learned my lesson when I couldn't get what I wanted for another vehicle.

Right at the moment I'd advise anyone who is particular about what tyres they want for their vehicle to start looking around well before they are needed.

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