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#2951972 8-Aug-2022 10:29

This thread has gone a bit quiet. Just wondering who might be considering a purchase? I find the lack of a native navigation application a bit annoying even though for most of my driving I don't need navigation. But having it on every other EV or PHEV I have driven it seems like a slightly negative omission. While eventually you can use Apple Car Play or Android Auto I can't see my wife, being the main driver firing up Car Play every time she gets in the car. At the moment she doesn't even connect to the car's BT (her iPhone BT is usually turned off) so if I call and she is driving she obviously doesn't answer the phone.

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#2951976 8-Aug-2022 10:45

I've driven one twice and had down a deposit as early as I could. I have watched and read pretty much everything I can online as well as being a mod on a BYD EV Facebook group... So you could say I'm in.

There's the promise of an OTA update for Android auto, Apple car play and navigation, but it could be a few months away. Same with the app that allows you to access some of the cars functions.

However the car that was just displayed publicly in Brisbane seemed to have apps on it for these things... So it's possible they're closer to release than we know?

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#2951981 8-Aug-2022 10:53

SomePostman: I've driven one twice and had down a deposit as early as I could. I have watched and read pretty much everything I can online as well as being a mod on a BYD EV Facebook group... So you could say I'm in.

There's the promise of an OTA update for Android auto, Apple car play and navigation, but it could be a few months away. Same with the app that allows you to access some of the cars functions.

However the car that was just displayed publicly in Brisbane seemed to have apps on it for these things... So it's possible they're closer to release than we know?

According to this site CarPlay and Android Auto coming sooner

https://galaxyconcerns.com/2022-byd-atto-3-heated-seats-added-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-ahead-of-schedule/

Nothing about a Maps app though.

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#2951985 8-Aug-2022 11:01

It seems that there is a move by car makers to no longer include any sort of navigation in lower trims, instead relying on wired (mostly) Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. No database to maintain or update and no license fees to navigation providers. With the ubiquity of cellphones for navigation these days most people probably prefer that to wrestling with clunky OEM nav systems anyway.

If you don’t want to connect a phone to the car but need navigation, buy a phone mount.

I am still interested in the Atto 3 as a possible second car, but need to get round to arranging a test drive.

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#2951986 8-Aug-2022 11:02

I'll ask the local dealer. I understand there's an update they're applying to the cars before handover, so it'll be interesting to see what's changed. I did see someone playing with the infotainment on the Brisbane car say it had a an app called "Navigation". But it might just be a placeholder... I'll post what I find back

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#2951990 8-Aug-2022 11:10

Dingbatt:
It seems that there is a move by car makers to no longer include any sort of navigation in lower trims, instead relying on wired (mostly) Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. No database to maintain or update and no license fees to navigation providers. With the ubiquity of cellphones for navigation these days most people probably prefer that to wrestling with clunky OEM nav systems anyway.

If you don’t want to connect a phone to the car but need navigation, buy a phone mount.

I am still interested in the Atto 3 as a possible second car, but need to get round to arranging a test drive.

BYD do not consider this car lower spec, but their top model. I have seen that Android auto and car play will be wireless and they have said they're working on navigation. But tbh, Google maps and Android auto will be superior to whatever they provide... So throw your phone in the wireless charger and enjoy! Well so the theory goes... Until we see it working

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#2951992 8-Aug-2022 11:16

I'd be happy to buy a car without inbuilt Nav (which is probably already out of date, and doen't get updated as often).

I would struggle to justify buying one without AA/CP though.

I like the look of the Atto3, and will hunt one out for a drive. I'd love to take one for a weekend away, then I could get my head (and my wife's) around charging/range.

Be good if rental companies had them, and didn't charge the earth to rent one.

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#2951994 8-Aug-2022 11:23

trig42:

I'd be happy to buy a car without inbuilt Nav (which is probably already out of date, and doen't get updated as often).

I would struggle to justify buying one without AA/CP though.

I like the look of the Atto3, and will hunt one out for a drive. I'd love to take one for a weekend away, then I could get my head (and my wife's) around charging/range.

Be good if rental companies had them, and didn't charge the earth to rent one.

My local dealer in Wellington was happy enough to bring the car to my house after work so we could take an extended test drive with the proviso he sat in the back seat which of course was no big deal. WLTP 440km and not sure what that translate to in real world range seems competitive with most other cars out there.

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#2951998 8-Aug-2022 11:30

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BYD do not consider this car lower spec, but their top model. I have seen that Android auto and car play will be wireless and they have said they're working on navigation. But tbh, Google maps and Android auto will be superior to whatever they provide... So throw your phone in the wireless charger and enjoy! Well so the theory goes... Until we see it working

Having used both, in an ICE, (in built navigation and phone based nav working through Android Auto), the in built option is a far superior solution to use. One big difference is the way it integrates with the HUD, at least in my car. The only downside of the in built system is getting access to updates.

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#2952001 8-Aug-2022 11:34

Technofreak:
SomePostman

BYD do not consider this car lower spec, but their top model. I have seen that Android auto and car play will be wireless and they have said they're working on navigation. But tbh, Google maps and Android auto will be superior to whatever they provide... So throw your phone in the wireless charger and enjoy! Well so the theory goes... Until we see it working

Having used both, in an ICE, (in built navigation and phone based nav working through Android Auto), the in built option is a far superior solution to use. One big difference is the way it integrates with the HUD, at least in my car. The only downside of the in built system is getting access to updates.

I think you're the only person I've seen say that the built in navigation is better than Google maps. But if it meant losing HUD integration then I can see why. What manufacturer?

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#2952009 8-Aug-2022 11:50

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I think you're the only person I've seen say that the built in navigation is better than Google maps. But if it meant losing HUD integration then I can see why. What manufacturer?

Best navigation I have used in the EV's I have tested was in the Polestar 2 since the car runs Android Automotive so the NAV was inbuilt Google Maps. No worries about updates.

I almost bought this car but it was a bit over my budget to get the specs I wanted (Pilot Pack) which come included in the BYD

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#2952062 8-Aug-2022 12:03

SomePostman:

I think you're the only person I've seen say that the built in navigation is better than Google maps. But if it meant losing HUD integration then I can see why. What manufacturer?

I've never rated Google Maps as anything special, preferring to use Nokia Maps/HereWeGo, when using a mobile phone based navigation option. When I say better than Google Maps I wasn't just talking about the actual mapping tech it's the whole integration into the vehicle.

It's not just the HUD integration but also things like the voice activated commands that the in built system provides being able to press a button on the steering wheel and voice activate the nav system. The car is a Holden, not sure who makes the nav/infotainment system.

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#2952086 8-Aug-2022 13:48

I test drove the Atto3 last week - it's a really good car although I'm new to EVs and have only the Kia EV6 to compare it to. The BYD is quite a lot bigger than I was expecting, and seemed very well engineered and equipped. Acceleration and performance was easily up to expectations (I currently drive a 150kW "warm hatch" so have reasonably high expectations), and all the tech like ACC and 360 cameras worked very well.

My only problems were the dimness of the main display - which I've subsequently found may have been to the headlights being set to "on" instead of "auto" on a sunny day - and the fixed, integral headrests on the front seats which pressed my head forwards uncomfortably. I've suspended my order until I can work out if there's a solution to the latter.

Interesting discussion on AA/CP vs built-in nav. My current (2021) car has built-in nav but apart from trying it out to see how good it is, I have never used it. I just find AA more useful, with up to date traffic info and dynamic rerouting saving a lot of hassle in Auckland traffic. As for integration, this seems perfectly OK - if I press the steering wheel "voice" button and say "navigate to Bunnings Albany" or similar, AA immediately gets tasked to do that. Similarly, pressing the button and saying "play [whatever]" gets Spotify to do that. I've always found built-in nav to be very difficult to program to a new destination.

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#2952181 8-Aug-2022 16:11

shk292:

I test drove the Atto3 last week - it's a really good car although I'm new to EVs and have only the Kia EV6 to compare it to. The BYD is quite a lot bigger than I was expecting, and seemed very well engineered and equipped. Acceleration and performance was easily up to expectations (I currently drive a 150kW "warm hatch" so have reasonably high expectations), and all the tech like ACC and 360 cameras worked very well.

I also drove the EV6 and that would have been my choice apart from some challenges in backing the car out of the garage (it fit okay) and then turning it around to drive out. Well the challenges were my wife's and since she should be the primary driver, she needed to be comfortable with it. Plus she felt it was a bit large.

My only problems were the dimness of the main display - which I've subsequently found may have been to the headlights being set to "on" instead of "auto" on a sunny day - and the fixed, integral headrests on the front seats which pressed my head forwards uncomfortably. I've suspended my order until I can work out if there's a solution to the latter.

Didn't notice the screen or headrest issue myself. But since the screen wasn't showing anything useful when I was driving I didn't really look at it. The only time I looked at it when reversing and did notice the excellent resolution and quality of the 360 cameras.

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#2952219 8-Aug-2022 18:02

My two concerns after visiting the Newmarket dealer are:

1) The SIM in the car has 1gb of data. It is a French telecom SIM! I asked what would happen if I used up the 1GB. The helpful guy explained that at 5k there is a free service and that's when they'll swap it out for a Spark SIM. What the pricing for data looks like is still TBC.

2) The maps feature is something I would use a lot as hooking up to Android Auto with 2 young kids is not something I have the time for. I really want to see how good the maps are.

On my VW I can download free map updates online and store it on an SD card. The maps are amazingly good in terms of mapping out new roads where I frequently go to.

Otherwise you do get a lot of car for your money.

The guy also said it should work on a Tesla Home Charger v3 but said best to get a 3rd party charger for home so you aren't locked to one brand. Tesla could always block access to their home chargers if you try to charge a non-Tesla. That is a good point!

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