Outlander runout - are these any good?

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#3007109 7-Dec-2022 21:44

I had the Outlander PHEV. Whilst I had issues with the EV side of things (rapid battery degradation), the car itself was comfortable and nice to drive.
I also recommend Andrew Simms New Market too. When I had EV issues, they looked after me and I settled for a Pajero Sport... whilst not a EV, gives me a bit of certainty whilst EV technology matures.

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#3007215 8-Dec-2022 10:18

duckDecoy:

Mitsi is having a run out of the Outlander 2WD LS.

https://www.andrewsimmsmitsubishi.co.nz/lp-outlander-ls

Anyone recommend (or not) these cars?

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yeah. I ordered a PHEV Outlander VRX with them in June. The delivery date was planned to be December 2022. A couple of weeks later, they called me saying it would only be in the country in June 2023.

So I had to cancel it and got a Kia Sportage instead. It's a good vehicle, but the outlander which sits in the same price range is better.

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#3007283 8-Dec-2022 11:15

Handle9:

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From memory the poverty pack 2WD Outlander is a conventional gearbox rather the CVT.

We had a CVT one for a while, it's a lot of car for the money. It suffers from Mitsubishi under investment, so isn't as refined as some of the Korean or Mazda/Toyota offerings, but it's a reliable and proven platform with tons of support.

My bad, it was the 2.0l that was a conventional auto. The 2.4l is CVT unfortunately. It's a good car just a bit unusual to drive if you're not used to it.

No - we have a 2.0L Outlander LS of that runout model shape and it is a CVT.

I understood only the diesel engines got mated with a conventional (Non CVT) auto.

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#3007298 8-Dec-2022 11:50

robjg63:

No - we have a 2.0L Outlander LS of that runout model shape and it is a CVT.

I understood only the diesel engines got mated with a conventional (Non CVT) auto.

Yip. Real shame they went that way with the petrols.

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#3007306 8-Dec-2022 12:02

wratterus:

robjg63:

No - we have a 2.0L Outlander LS of that runout model shape and it is a CVT.

I understood only the diesel engines got mated with a conventional (Non CVT) auto.

Yip. Real shame they went that way with the petrols.

Is CVT bad? Like would this be a reason not to look at this car?

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#3007310 8-Dec-2022 12:19

Have you ever driven a vehicle with a CVT? Recommend taking one for a test drive if not. They are all a bit different, some have 'fake' ratios built in to make them feel more like a normal auto (Subaru for example).

It's personal preference a little bit. If you were going to tow a bit (say 1t plus), IMO a CVT is a bad idea. They should be fine these days - the Mitsi ones seem to be fairly reliable. Never touch a Nissan with a CVT. And even if the dealer say you don't need to fluid changes, that's rubbish and they need doing. Unsure on the interval on those - maybe 60-80k.

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#3007343 8-Dec-2022 13:33

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Is CVT bad? Like would this be a reason not to look at this car?

CVT is not innately bad, and is just as commonplace now as a regular automatic (and are used in various models from at least Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota, Lexus and Honda). Early CVTs, like many early implementation technologies, had teething problems.

Mitsi's CVTs have actually been among the most reliable around, and they have been making them for >15 years now, and put solid warranty's on them (10yr/160k km last I looked).

I would not avoid a car simply because of a CVT. They can feel a bit different to drive in straight up continuous mode, though some use steps to make it feel like a normal auto anyway.

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#3007346 8-Dec-2022 13:41

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Is CVT bad? Like would this be a reason not to look at this car?

CVT is not bad. it has a 10 year drivetrain warranty even if it blows up.

CVT is different in that there are no gears.

CVT is used to make sure you are always in the right gear ratio. it was so good they banned it from formula 1 in the 90s.

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#3007368 8-Dec-2022 14:31

Apart from questionable reliability of early CVTs, they are often programmed for extreme efficiency which creates a lackluster driving experience.

If they have a sport mode to increase the revs at the expense of efficiency they would be okay.

Conceptually it's a fantastic idea.

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#3007423 8-Dec-2022 16:25

insane: Apart from questionable reliability of early CVTs, they are often programmed for extreme efficiency which creates a lackluster driving experience.

If they have a sport mode to increase the revs at the expense of efficiency they would be okay.

Conceptually it's a fantastic idea.

just have to be a bit heavier with the foot up hills , never used the sport mode or low. Rimutakas and transmission gulley great place to try cars

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#3007431 8-Dec-2022 17:19

robjg63:
Handle9:

My bad, it was the 2.0l that was a conventional auto. The 2.4l is CVT unfortunately. It's a good car just a bit unusual to drive if you're not used to it.

No - we have a 2.0L Outlander LS of that runout model shape and it is a CVT.

I understood only the diesel engines got mated with a conventional (Non CVT) auto.

Whe we bought ours I’m pretty sure the 2.0l was a normal transmission. We drove one as a rental and liked it. This was around 10 years ago though.

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#3007437 8-Dec-2022 18:12

With the Renault Nissan Misubishi Alliance the CVT is likely a Jatco transmission. They all use the Jatco as do Suzuki and others.

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#3007440 8-Dec-2022 19:06

We have one. Can’t fault it after 18 months.

Good legroom in front and passenger seats. My boys are 6.2 and 6.4 and they are comfy in the back.

The 3rd row is a squeeze but usable in a pinch. We keep it folded down for the boot space.

Get about 650km on a tank. I think the engine is reasonable.

I think it’s extremely good value.

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#3007444 8-Dec-2022 19:18

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wratterus:

Yip. Real shame they went that way with the petrols.

Is CVT bad? Like would this be a reason not to look at this car?

CVT is fine, it's very common across many marques.It's been round for a long time now and generally works well.

It gives better fuel economy but it works a bit differently so sometimes the revs don't correspond with what the car is doing. You get used to it quite quickly but some people don't like it. If you can, get an extended test drive over a couple of days to see if it's right for you.

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#3007484 8-Dec-2022 20:36

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insane: Apart from questionable reliability of early CVTs, they are often programmed for extreme efficiency which creates a lackluster driving experience.

If they have a sport mode to increase the revs at the expense of efficiency they would be okay.

Conceptually it's a fantastic idea.

just have to be a bit heavier with the foot up hills , never used the sport mode or low. Rimutakas and transmission gulley great place to try cars

I tried a CVT in a 2.0L Nissan Qashqai and it was gutless compared to the 2L turbo dual-clutch hatchback we had before.

Given the Outlander is a 2.4L it should hopefully be a bit better.

Ended up going with a Mazda CX-5 because it had a standard auto transmission and goes alright for a fairly big vehicle.

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