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BlakJak
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  #3175761 27-Dec-2023 15:06
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IT is more than software development - your sample size is fairly self-selective. Developers by the very nature of their role, spend most of their time in front of the machines on which they create or test code.

 

 

Also - i'm not sure that my case of the 'hard working man with a family on a limited budget' is that unusual at all.

 

My organisation employs I dunno, 30 people in IT and works hand-in-hand with a subset of another organisation that provides maybe another 50 people who we work with routinely? There's a remarkable cross-section of personality and culture types.

 

Some work remotely a lot - a few basically all the time. Others like me are in the office once or twice a week. In-person engagement with team members, with the organisation-at-large, is valuable when you're an internal IT capability as opposed to producing product (code) for external consumers.

 

 

For full transparency - i'm a Manager in an IT Security part of the business. Meeting with my own team in-person from time to time is valuable. Meeting with my 'customers' (stakeholders within the organisation, and with other organisations that we partner with) is also valuable. Seeing what the rest of the IT team are doing is valuable, as it lets me identify potential risks and bad behaviours. Being available for in-person advice and consults is valuable. Yes I can do it all from home, but using Zoom/Teams is not the same as being there in-person, so I mix it up and align my schedule to where things make sense.

 

I commute by train - but I drive to the train station. And if I have to be in the office but have an evening commitment in the city, or other family-related reasons that I need to have the car handy, i'll drive in (and pay the parking penalty).

 

 

And I don't presume to have knowledge of what my colleagues do in their off-hours, or what methods they choose to use to commute (but i've seen several of them, particularly those with families, in cars). But (to think of a few examples) those who enjoy the outdoors will use cars to get to camping sites, biking trails, marinas, etc. Those who have kids sports to support will be trekking to playing fields across th district (as I used to). Visiting extended family is often easier by car, especially if you have a car-full. Nevermind shopping for bulky items.

 

 

I bought a Hybrid a few months ago, having replaced a straight petrol station-wagon. If I have to go to paying RUC on the basis of my Odometer it will not be the end of the world, as presumably that means the tax will come off the petrol I put into the car and I'll likely buy it in chunks that make it affordable to me. But building the cost into petrol is the simplest way of ensuring everyone keeps up with the costs (it's unavoidable) and at a rate that's not creating lumps that you can't prepare for (how many contractors have stuffed up paying taxes?)




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dolsen:

 

Not sure if I have missed that they seem to know how they are going to treat PHEVs

 

 

 

"From 1 April 2024, owners of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) can apply for excise duty refunds on petrol they purchase."

 

So, looks like paying RUC and then refunds for any petrol. Seems a good way to do it.

 

 

 

From page https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/road-user-charges/ruc-refunds/.

 

There is also a link for how they are going to do ruc that goes nowhere.

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/ruc-for-electric-vehicles/

 

And then pooof it was gone. The PHEV RUC refund link has now disappeared from NZTA's website. Was one of their IT department a bit too keen, or have NAF decided on a change of direction on this strategy?





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  #3181311 12-Jan-2024 22:00
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HarmLessSolutions

 

[And then pooof it was gone. The PHEV RUC refund link has now disappeared from NZTA's website. Was one of their IT department a bit too keen, or have NAF decided on a change of direction on this strategy?

 

 

It’s never good form for departments to get ahead of a ministerial announcement , but they need to be ready to run as soon as it gets made.... sounds like this is the policy that’s coming, 

 

We just got a sneak peek behind the curtain before the big reveal 




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  #3181314 12-Jan-2024 22:22
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wellygary:

 

HarmLessSolutions

 

[And then pooof it was gone. The PHEV RUC refund link has now disappeared from NZTA's website. Was one of their IT department a bit too keen, or have NAF decided on a change of direction on this strategy?

 

 

It’s never good form for departments to get ahead of a ministerial announcement , but they need to be ready to run as soon as it gets made.... sounds like this is the policy that’s coming, 

 

We just got a sneak peek behind the curtain before the big reveal 

 

That's my take on what happened. Someone accidentally showed their hand.





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  #3181342 13-Jan-2024 08:24
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The refund scheme was always going to be a stop-gap measure until the law (and no doubt the computer systems) could be changed so PHEV's had their own RUC rate. Maybe the new government is a bit quicker off the mark and the refund scheme isn't needed anymore.




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  #3181492 13-Jan-2024 16:07
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scuwp: The refund scheme was always going to be a stop-gap measure until the law (and no doubt the computer systems) could be changed so PHEV's had their own RUC rate. Maybe the new government is a bit quicker off the mark and the refund scheme isn't needed anymore.

 

You mean the same people that took 6 weeks to get into office after they won the election?

 

The same people that have said the RUC exception is going away, but still haven't communicated anything about how it is going to work?

 

I remain sceptical that it is going to be anything but a disaster...





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  #3181493 13-Jan-2024 16:10
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Perverse incentives to NOT drive an EV are almost certainly an advantage for this government.




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  #3182735 16-Jan-2024 15:35
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.... and its official 

 

From 1 April 2024 

 

Pure BEV regular sub 3.5 tonne rate of  $76/1000km,

 

PHEVs $53/1000 

 

there is a two month transition before any enforcement (which will mainly a WOF odometer check) 

 

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/releaseelectric-vehicles-pay-road-user-charges

 

 


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  #3182738 16-Jan-2024 15:55
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That’s a shame. I would have thought $53 for a BEV and $33 for a PHEV would have been nearer the mark considering any decent petrol car contributes about $40-50 per 1000km in fuel excise.

 

The big losers are the PHEV owners, particularly the ones that only have 20 to 30 km of pure electric range. Once their battery is flat they are effectively paying $103/1000km.





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  #3182739 16-Jan-2024 15:56
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Dingbatt:

 

That’s a shame. I would have thought $53 for a BEV and $33 for a PHEV would have been nearer the mark considering any decent petrol car contributes about $40-50 per 1000km in fuel excise.

 

The big losers are the PHEV owners, particularly the ones that only have 20 to 30 km of pure electric range. Once their battery is flat they are effectively paying $103/1000km.

 

 

 

 

Entirely in character for this government.





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Dingbatt:

 

That’s a shame. I would have thought $53 for a BEV and $33 for a PHEV would have been nearer the mark considering any decent petrol car contributes about $40-50 per 1000km in fuel excise.

 

The big losers are the PHEV owners, particularly the ones that only have 20 to 30 km of pure electric range. Once their battery is flat they are effectively paying $103/1000km.

 

Based on the NACT coalition agreement (p6) this is just an interim measure until such time that all road vehicles start paying distance based RUCs. An adjustment of RUC rates across the various vehicle fuel/motive classes will be required once FET is removed from petrol hopefully in combination with a ramped up carbon tax to disincentivise high consumption vehicles.

 

That would be the likely situation in a perfect world but the loyalty that this government has towards its fossil fuel and road transport industry donors make this far from certain.





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  #3182743 16-Jan-2024 16:16
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

Based on the NACT coalition agreement (p6) this is just an interim measure until such time that all road vehicles start paying distance based RUCs. 

 

 

Yeah, but governments have been talking about doing this for years, 

 

Just because it written down in the NACT agreement doesn't actually mean its gonna happen anytime soon 😃


  #3182744 16-Jan-2024 17:04
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wellygary:

 

HarmLessSolutions:
Based on the NACT coalition agreement (p6) this is just an interim measure until such time that all road vehicles start paying distance based RUCs.

 

Yeah, but governments have been talking about doing this for years, 

 

Just because it written down in the NACT agreement doesn't actually mean its gonna happen anytime soon 😃

 

I would be astounded if enabling legislation gets through the parliamentary sausage machine this year.
If it's a whole new electronic system - not a rehash of the current ticket-in-the-window system - which has been the proclaimed intention for several years, then there will be a big project to implement it as a new government IT system. And we all know how quick those are to implement and how well they usually go.

 

If the government really wants to get this in place before the next scheduled election, they will have to put aside a serious chunk of money in this year's Budget, something I don't think they'll want to do as funding their promised tax cuts will use up all the 'spare' cash

 

 


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  #3182745 16-Jan-2024 17:25
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PolicyGuy: If it's a whole new electronic system - not a rehash of the current ticket-in-the-window system - which has been the proclaimed intention for several years, then there will be a big project to implement it as a new government IT system. And we all know how quick those are to implement and how well they usually go.

 

Just remember as much as this is politics based, this isn't the politics subforum so limit the politics talk.

 

But I'm with many. I don't want another damn ticket in the window above the vehicle registration. This should be digital and should have launched when that was ready.





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  #3182746 16-Jan-2024 17:37
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A Government just paying whatever it costs to 'quickly' have a digital system would be Tax and spend.

 

Unless they 'user pays' it by greatly up the RUC rate to pay for the development and infrastrucutre.
A super high RUC rate for first couple of years.

 

You can trust they will reduce it later.

 

Maybe much higher registration fees each year to establish and maintain an electronic Registration / RUC system. 


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