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everettpsycho
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  #3182778 16-Jan-2024 20:16
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2 months of no enforcement seems strange, who is going to willing offer their odometer and start paying before enforcement comes in? I get there has to be a transition but funny way to word it that you must have it by a date but we won't say anything until a different date.

It is what it is, a shame the free rides over but people knew it was coming. In just being entertained by the "good riddance" and "about time the freeloaders pay" comments circulating.

 
 
 

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  #3182782 16-Jan-2024 20:22
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tweake:

 

        .... but RUC's are not a WOF item. RUC is up to police to police. ....

 

 

Under the current system odometer reading is recorded at WOF and govt checks RUC. If you are in arrears you get sent a bill in the mail for whatever is outstanding at time of WOF.


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  #3182783 16-Jan-2024 20:34
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lchiu7:

 

Checking the odometer reading each time you get a WOF is going to be interesting since new cars don't WOF's for up to two years IIRC. So you could be way out of sync with what you paid and what you drive before they find out.

 

 

@lchiu7 3 years for a brand new car




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  #3182788 16-Jan-2024 20:45
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Linux:

 

lchiu7:

 

Checking the odometer reading each time you get a WOF is going to be interesting since new cars don't WOF's for up to two years IIRC. So you could be way out of sync with what you paid and what you drive before they find out.

 

 

@lchiu7 3 years for a brand new car

 

 

Include mileage on the rego would help solve that issue, as well as keeping tabs on every other vehicle. Yes you could understate it, but it will catchup with you, and incur the wrath of the boys in blue. 


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  #3182789 16-Jan-2024 20:50
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wellygary:

.... and its official 

From 1 April 2024 


Pure BEV regular sub 3.5 tonne rate of  $76/1000km,

PHEVs $53/1000 

there is a two month transition before any enforcement (which will mainly a WOF odometer check) 

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/releaseelectric-vehicles-pay-road-user-charges


Well, that's high. What I really want to say is "completely stupid" but here is the cunning plan I suspect..

The new distance system that comes after this interim scheme is unlikely to be great and may be all kinds of horrible. You might then be offered the choice - keep paying this stupid and high charge or.. use the new system. Bwaahahahaha! /conspiracy/conspiracy

I'm driving a hybrid so not a problem for me yet. Toyota NZ will be the only ones celebrating this evening. This won't put me off electric but I'm wondering if some people will cancel orders this evening. This is just not where we need to be as a country. /rant

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  #3182790 16-Jan-2024 20:51
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mrdrifter:


Then there is the administration fee on top $12.44 if done online. That is including another tax of GST in that charge. Glad I haven’t brought EV and have no intention of getting one for next car.


https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/road-user-charges/ruc-rates-and-transaction-fees/#RUC-administration-fees


 



It's this fee that actually annoys me more than anything else. I'm happy to pay RUC, but the fee is far higher than the actual transaction costs and in theory with more users, this should be spread further therefore lowering the transaction costs.


The fee is over 15% of a single set which is excessive. Obviously that goes down if you buy more than 1000km but in a cost of living crisis some people will struggle paying their ruc and this feels like a great way of punishing the poor by increasing how much their ruc costs because they don't have the money to stack in advance.

I guess they have to post you another card saying you've paid for more, but if that was the bulk of the price you'd think doing it in person would be cheaper.

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  #3182794 16-Jan-2024 21:20
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When it's time to replace the PHEV we will buy a petrol or diesel SUV. 




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  #3182796 16-Jan-2024 21:30
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rugrat:

 

Glad I haven’t brought EV and have no intention of getting one for next car.

 

 

 

 

As annoyed as I may be at the bone-headed way they're going about RUCs, daily cost wasn't top of the list of reasons for getting an EV. They're just better in basically every way. Quieter, faster, full "tank" every morning without having to make a special trip. Each to their own I guess but there's no way I'll be going back to an old smoker.





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  #3182798 16-Jan-2024 21:35
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There are many advantages to hybrid and electric. No more stinky fumes in the garage was the first one I noticed with hybrid. One step up from there to full electric, so nice to drive it reduces a lot of driving stress and fatigue. There are still so many good reasons to go electric.

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  #3182826 16-Jan-2024 22:48
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As predicted, the winners are self charging hybrids

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  #3182830 16-Jan-2024 22:58
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Yeah this has royally screwed PHEV cars with small batteries, but all PHEV will be paying above the odds for longer trips.

 

I have a Prius PHEV the wife uses mostly for school drop offs and shopping runs. In that scenario I guess the RUC’s are OK (just).

 

However in the times I do a long trip to my parents 300km away, then you really get screwed.

 

In my old 2010 Prius Hybrid I used to get just under 5.5l/100km so was about $45 in gas (full car, lots of hills)
In my 2013 Prius PHEV the economy is about the same i.e  5.3l/100km or $43in gas. So RUC add nearly $19 to the cost.

 

So, rough calcs:

 

My old Prius hybrid is paying ~$12 in tax for the trip (0.75c per litre)
My Prius Plugin is paying ~$11+$19 for tax and RUC, i.e $30 for the same trip.
An EV would be paying $25 for same trip (as would a diesel ute)

 

It doesn’t seem fair that an near identical car over that trip is nearly 3 times as much in a form of road tax.

 

PHEV RUC should have been about $33 per 1000km. 


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  #3182832 16-Jan-2024 23:02
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I wonder if a PHEV can be converted to straight hybrid by removing the charging port?





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  #3182837 17-Jan-2024 00:08
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Dingbatt:

 

That’s a shame. I would have thought $53 for a BEV and $33 for a PHEV would have been nearer the mark considering any decent petrol car contributes about $40-50 per 1000km in fuel excise.

 

The big losers are the PHEV owners, particularly the ones that only have 20 to 30 km of pure electric range. Once their battery is flat they are effectively paying $103/1000km.

 

 

I'd say for your typical ICE mostly driven around town the dollars per 1000 km would be north of $60 or $65 / 1000 km. I'm thinking of a 2.0 to 2.4 litre SUV.

 

I'd say they've looked at the average vehicle annual  mileage and consumption to come up with these figures. They will know how many litres are sold each year and the annual km driven from odo readings at each WOF inspection. 

 

I can't help wonder that the PHEV rates have been set to encourage PHEV's to be used where they give the best advantage, that is short round town trips.

 

If they're charging 7.6 cents per km for a diesel they cannot charge anything less for a BEV. It's a road user charge not a carbon charge.





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  #3182838 17-Jan-2024 00:17
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kemosabe: Yeah this has royally screwed PHEV cars with small batteries, but all PHEV will be paying above the odds for longer trips.

Yes. I seem to recall the newer phevs have ratings like 1.5l per 100km.

Probably that is urban driving I haven't looked into it. For that kind of PHEV and that kind of driving the price is almost equiv to the EV rate so maybe not too bad.

For mixed driving and anything exhausting the available charge and using more fuel not so good probably. I guess I'll have to look into it now. The MG PHEV has my interest.

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  #3182839 17-Jan-2024 00:33
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kemosabe:

 

Yeah this has royally screwed PHEV cars with small batteries, but all PHEV will be paying above the odds for longer trips.

 

I have a Prius PHEV the wife uses mostly for school drop offs and shopping runs. In that scenario I guess the RUC’s are OK (just).

 

However in the times I do a long trip to my parents 300km away, then you really get screwed.

 

In my old 2010 Prius Hybrid I used to get just under 5.5l/100km so was about $45 in gas (full car, lots of hills)
In my 2013 Prius PHEV the economy is about the same i.e  5.3l/100km or $43in gas. So RUC add nearly $19 to the cost.

 

So, rough calcs:

 

My old Prius hybrid is paying ~$12 in tax for the trip (0.75c per litre)
My Prius Plugin is paying ~$11+$19 for tax and RUC, i.e $30 for the same trip.
An EV would be paying $25 for same trip (as would a diesel ute)

 

It doesn’t seem fair that an near identical car over that trip is nearly 3 times as much in a form of road tax.

 

PHEV RUC should have been about $33 per 1000km. 

 

 

I'd suggest a 600 km return trip isn't your average journey much less a typical journey taken by a PHEV. While your figures are relevant to you they are not relevant for determining a fair tax rate.





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