2023 Haval Jolion Ultra Hybrid

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#3196266 16-Feb-2024 12:28

alasta: I can understand why traditional ladder frame SUVs are a nuisance, but I don't get the endless hate towards car based 'SUVs'.

I think that was the early days. Cyclists and motorcyclists can't see over them compared to sedans. Increased chance of pedestrian harm due to body style. Generally speaking the additional height compared to sedans has a higher chance of blocking another motorist's view of the road. In fact I have not heard those opinions expressed for years because SUV style is now prevalent and now just an everyday reality.

Other reasons might be decreased fuel economy due to body shape. This can be seen when comparing Prius CH-R vs exact same Prius in aerodynamic sedan version. CH-R suits me for a practical reason increased height for additional confidence crossing a local stream that floods a few times a year. I think rear boot and rear cabin space might be lower I'll need to check before making a decision.

The Joilon Hybrid is of interest to me for similar reasons. I'm interested to see how economy works out. My typical split is rural/highway/urban.

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#3340373 8-Feb-2025 09:36

Well, a year later and we still have the Jolion :)

Have been to Napier in it, multiple trips to Tauranga and Rotorua, and all around Auckland with no issues.

Went for its first service (10k), no issues raised there and cost was around $350.

Main thing that drives me nuts, is its internal driver camera. If I wear sunglasses with a hint of tint, the camera mis-reads my eyes and accuses me of not paying attention to the road :) I can turn it off but its per drive, not a permanent setting. Quick fix is black tape over the camera ;)

We have it in Standard driving mode 99% of the time - I occasionally put it into Sports mode for sh*** and giggles. Launching in this mode gives a decent whack of torque steer, and once underway, picks up quite quickly.

Cruise control works well (but my wife hates it), catch is tho, and not part of the cars fault, is that it keeps a safe distance between you and the car in front, and then you get some moron going "looks theres a gap" and shoves themselves in it, causing the car to freak out and back right off. So on local motorways, its not great, but getting out of town on the open road its fine.

I wish they'd update the infotainment software so you can choose where the buttons reside so you can change settings easier but minor niggle really.

Built in sound system isn't fantastic, but does the job.

Space wise, the boot is a little limited, especially since we have the dog, and if we want a family trip including him, it would be extremely cramped. Solution will be to get roof racks with a pod, which we are looking at doing. Tip: Look in Australia for roof rack systems. They seem to have a larger selection without ripping you off even allowing for shipping.

Kids are happy in the back seat with air vents and USB ports.

The console cup holders are a little annoying - one is bigger than the other. So one will hold a standard can/cup, whereas the other is smaller and seems to only hold a slim can (250ml).

Fuel wise, we get 900km out of a 50L tank of 91.

Think thats everything....... feel free to ask about anything else.

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#3340566 8-Feb-2025 16:12

Fuel wise, we get 900km out of a 50L tank of 91.

That is extremely good for a large vehicle. I'm pleased it's worked out.

Have you thought about towing anything?

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#3340698 9-Feb-2025 08:26

alasta:

It'll be interesting to see what the customer support is like longer term. One of the reasons I have stuck with Mazda is that their after sales support has been excellent, but I suspect the Chinese brands will also be making a good effort in that domain as they work to build up mainstream credibility.

With the number of Chinese car companies that have failed over the last couple of years I would be very concerned about long term spares and support. In New Zealand we tend to buy cars expecting them to last at least 10 years. In China its common for cars to be scrapped after 3-4 years. Haval and BYD are likely to survive the purge (and the eventual loss of government subsidies) but I'm not convinced they will hold their value like a traditional brand.

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#3340706 9-Feb-2025 09:22

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but I'm not convinced they will hold their value like a traditional brand.

At the price of the car, a 100% depreciation of its value will still end up costing the buyer less than a Toyota depreciating 50% of its value. And if you have finance the interest will be also much less.

Assuming they honor the 8 year warranty, repair costs should also be lower than one with a 3 year warranty assuming it needs out of warranty repairs.

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#3340729 9-Feb-2025 10:41

noroad:

… but I'm not convinced they will hold their value like a traditional brand.

Given how inexpensive they are to start with, depreciation is less of an issue.

A friend is looking at purchasing a new Omoda. Price is less than I paid for a standard spec Holden Vectra 26 years ago (and the Vectra was on run out sale pricing!).

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#3340732 9-Feb-2025 10:58

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A friend is looking at purchasing a new Omoda. Price is less than I paid for a standard spec Holden Vectra 26 years ago (and the Vectra was on run out sale pricing!).

Sure, but look into how many Chinese EV brands have failed over the last year and this will only get worse with the waves of tariffs around the world and the crashing of the Chinese economy. There have been many brands in china where the company goes under and many of the techincal features stop working along with a complete cutoff of parts and service. Buying any of these off brand vehicles is a serious risk that people seem completely unaware of. I personally would not trust my money or family's safety to a very new Chinese brand, but you do you.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/how-did-this-happen-chery-admits-2023-omoda-5-was-faulty-just-days-before-going-on-sale-to

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/chery-omoda-5-recalled

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5454767

I mean you can offer any warranty you like (8 years!) on a sub brand (Omoda is a Cherry sub brand) and just close the brand at will. This is happening all over China currently

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#3340740 9-Feb-2025 11:08

dafman:

Given how inexpensive they are to start with, depreciation is less of an issue.

A friend is looking at purchasing a new Omoda. Price is less than I paid for a standard spec Holden Vectra 26 years ago (and the Vectra was on run out sale pricing!).

I'm also not so sure those Omoda's are that cheap, I mean they are comparable with a reputable brand like Suzuki

https://www.suzuki.co.nz/suvs/overview/vitara-hybrid

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#3340775 9-Feb-2025 14:27

SAIC and GWM are pretty well established here and will stick around. I'm not so convinced about BYD as they appear to be distributed here by Ateco.

The Australian market is being flooded with other Chinese marques that noone has ever heard of and lot of them will inevitably fail. I suspect we will see the same thing in NZ to some degree.

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#3340782 9-Feb-2025 15:32

alasta:

SAIC and GWM are pretty well established here and will stick around. I'm not so convinced about BYD as they appear to be distributed here by Ateco.

The Australian market is being flooded with other Chinese marques that noone has ever heard of and lot of them will inevitably fail. I suspect we will see the same thing in NZ to some degree.

Agree about SAIC (MG & LDV brands), and GWM.

But I would put BYD in the same bucket. They have passed SAIC to be the largest automaker in china, and appear quite growth focused. They are not likely to walk away from an Export market they have already entered, especially one that does not have heavy tariff's on their EV's like Europe and the US are talking about.

If there are issues with the distributor BYD can just replace them.

That said BYD does seem to have some serious issues with pricing for the NZ market. Who is going to spend $44k (or $38k ex demo) on a base dolphin (430 km WLTP range, with a 70kW motor 0-100 time of 12.3s), when one can get a Polestar 2 (pre refresh, standard range single motor) for $45k new (478km WLTP, 170kW, 7.4s 0-100 time, much larger car). Or a GWM ora (310 km WLTP range, 126 kW motor, 0-100 in 7.5s) for $27k).

And BYD does seem to only be holding back on models launching in NZ. Sat in both the Seagull (Subcompact low cost hatchback), and the BYD tank (7 seat BEV SUV) in manila. The both would be solid additions to BYD's NZ lineup, but are not offered here.

The BYD shark hitting the top 10 on the Jan top selling models list is a big deal in my mind. Has a Chinese brand ever got a model into the top 10 before?

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#3340792 9-Feb-2025 16:55

Scott3:

The BYD shark hitting the top 10 on the Jan top selling models list is a big deal in my mind. Has a Chinese brand ever got a model into the top 10 before?

Dec 23 was one such point, but that was strange times what with the recent release of the MG4, the ending of the CCD, and those buying tanks holding off for the ‘Ute tax’ to be lifted.

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#3340810 9-Feb-2025 18:33

noroad: I mean you can offer any warranty you like (8 years!) on a sub brand (Omoda is a Cherry sub brand) and just close the brand at will. This is happening all over China currently

You're suggesting a major company would dump all customers of a 100% owned subsidiary marque identified with the parent and sold in the same dealerships? Very unlikely.

No company does that, because it would destroy the reputation of the parent brand.

Even for the Geely-Baidu joint venture Jiyue, warranty will continue to be honored by it's well known parent companies.

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#3340870 9-Feb-2025 22:45

gzt:

You're suggesting a major company would dump all customers of a 100% owned subsidiary marque identified with the parent and sold in the same dealerships? Very unlikely.

No company does that, because it would destroy the reputation of the parent brand.

Even for the Geely-Baidu joint venture Jiyue, warranty will continue to be honored by it's well known parent companies.

Sure they do, I don't think you quite get the scale of the collapse of the Chinese economy that is underway. It may be a slow train wreck but the front of the train has absolutely hit the stops. If it comes to saving the company or withdrawing from foreign countries I can guarantee they will retreat back to the mainland and there will be no recourse whatsoever. Why has no car company ever offered such long warranty periods in the past? Is certainly not because these new Chinese companies are making super high quality cars and they don't think anything will break for 8 years. Its because they care about sales right now and what happens in years to come means very little. They don't have a reputation to protect, their entire strategy is to be a bit cheaper than the others to get cash now and hope people won't think too deeply about it. Don't get me wrong, I buy lots of Chinese stuff, but its always done while carefully considering the situation and not trusting in words on paper that may well mean nothing in a weeks time. These companies create sub brands so it can be deniable and they can easily be discarded if the burden becomes too much. There will be a lot of "good deals" in the coming couple of years as Chinese brands dump massive overstocks that they can't sell elsewhere due to tarrifs etc. These will be largely disposable cars that last a few years and are then worthless. Anyway, that's my 2c, the warning is out there.

Caveat Emptor

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#3340871 9-Feb-2025 22:51

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Caveat Emptor

https://topauto.co.za/features/121676/warning-for-buyers-of-chinese-cars-in-south-africa/

A statement from an official Chery dealer reads: “The warranty protects your Chery engine against any manufacturing defects or unforeseen failures for a remarkable 1,000,000 kilometres or 10 years, whichever comes first. This warranty is exclusive to the original owner of the Chery vehicle.”

GAC’s Ts and Cs are: “To keep the warranty intact, vehicle service and repairs must be conducted at GAC Motor authorised service centres and using approved parts. This is standard practice in the industry, ensuring you get nothing but the best of the brand quality. This offer is valid for the vehicle’s first owner and requires a traceable service history recorded within the authorized GAC Motor service centres.”

I bet those parts will get more and more expensive, just saying

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#3340872 9-Feb-2025 23:04

Mitsubishi has offered a 10 year drivetrain warranty for a long time. The Korean manufacturers introduced much longer warranties than others when they entered the market. It’s a well established tactic to enter a market.

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