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  Reply # 324407 28-Apr-2010 21:32
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Just lie and say you were turning right, this angry PMS sufferrer decided to slam her car into a poor, innocent male and hurt his bike in the process.

P.S I am having an argument with my partner atm so this may or may not have any influence in the crap I just wrote.

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  Reply # 324408 28-Apr-2010 21:34
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nziced: Just lie and say you were turning right, this angry PMS sufferrer decided to slam her car into a poor, innocent male and hurt his bike in the process.

P.S I am having an argument with my partner atm so this may or may not have any influence in the crap I just wrote.


Encouraging people to lie definitely doesn't help anything. So in reply to your comment about it possibly being influenced. The answer is 'Yes, it was'.



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Aaroona:
Though, on a more personal note. The way motorcyclists do this really pisses me off. I don't believe it's fair and they shouldn't do it,


Most definitly not a valid argument! They don't slow you down, in fact if anything they REDUCE the traffic on the road and get YOU to your destination sooner

Aaroona:
And quite often than not, they become a hazard which I have found while driving during peak-hour traffic. But that's just me.


Perhaps a fair point - depending on the point of view - however perhaps it is your presence on the road creating the hazard for the motorcyclist?


I never said anything about them slowing me down. My argument was that they create another hazzard when doing this. I don't believe they should have seperate rules just for motorbikes just for the sake of it.

EDIT: In the end, they can cause as much trouble as a car can. So abiding by similar rules makes it easier for everyone.





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  Reply # 324409 28-Apr-2010 21:36
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Maybe we need to distinguish between "criminal" (ie potential traffic offences by each driver) & "civil" (ie liability as far as damages or insurance claims). The "criminal" is black & white (each driver did or did not commit an offence) whereas the "civil" aspect is graduated: proportions of blame may be attributed to each driver such that each may have to meet all or a proportion of costs.





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  Reply # 324410 28-Apr-2010 21:41
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Aaroona: 

Though, on a more personal note. The way motorcyclists do this really pisses me off. I don't believe it's fair and they shouldn't do it, and quite often than not, they become a hazard which I have found while driving during peak-hour traffic. But that's just me.



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Honestly the amount of scooter and motorcyclists I see weaving in-between traffic during peak hour really annoys me.

Other vehicle drivers often get bad stick from motorcyclists for failing to give way or see them - I wonder how much of this is their own fault for passing where prohibited by the road code and rapidly moving in and out of other vehicles  blind spots.

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  Reply # 324415 28-Apr-2010 21:47
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Like it or not lane filtering is perfectly legal, and if traffic is stationary or crawling along at walking pace I don't see a problem with it.



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  Reply # 324416 28-Apr-2010 21:47
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I was doing about 30kph, maybe less. Greasy road though. I just need to prove that she was in the wrong as well so we can split the liability.

Thanks for your opinions everyone.

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  Reply # 324421 28-Apr-2010 21:53
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Aaroona:
nziced: Just lie and say you were turning right, this angry PMS sufferrer decided to slam her car into a poor, innocent male and hurt his bike in the process.

P.S I am having an argument with my partner atm so this may or may not have any influence in the crap I just wrote.


Encouraging people to lie definitely doesn't help anything. So in reply to your comment about it possibly being influenced. The answer is 'Yes, it was'.



Filterer:
Aaroona:
Though, on a more personal note. The way motorcyclists do this really pisses me off. I don't believe it's fair and they shouldn't do it,


Most definitly not a valid argument! They don't slow you down, in fact if anything they REDUCE the traffic on the road and get YOU to your destination sooner

Aaroona:
And quite often than not, they become a hazard which I have found while driving during peak-hour traffic. But that's just me.


Perhaps a fair point - depending on the point of view - however perhaps it is your presence on the road creating the hazard for the motorcyclist?


I never said anything about them slowing me down. My argument was that they create another hazzard when doing this. I don't believe they should have seperate rules just for motorbikes just for the sake of it.

EDIT: In the end, they can cause as much trouble as a car can. So abiding by similar rules makes it easier for everyone.


If they shouldn't have seperate rules for motorcyclists perhaps we should start restricting the engine capacity of cars and not just motorbikes.  In my experience a lot of cage drivers do not look for hazards (i have personally almost been made road kill several times riding in my lane completely abiding by the law) as we all should wether we drive or ride.  You'll find in a lot of American states (yes i know we are not in the USA) Lane Filtering is permitted, Arizona has just had this law passed.  

This may/may not help the OP

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/21150-Lane-splitting-filtering-the-legal-and-commonsense-answers 

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  Reply # 324423 28-Apr-2010 21:54
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I will clarify - Peak hour traffic when it is moving at more than 20-30km/h . I don't have much of a problem when the traffic is crawling or stationary.

I do have a significant problem when it is occurring when moving at speed, causing me having to divert attention from usual driving tasks to the process of mind reading whilst trying not to get whiplash from spinning my head round trying to figure out where the heck a biker has gone and then having to take action to prevent a collision when I am in the right of way.

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  Reply # 324431 28-Apr-2010 22:04
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Valok:

If they shouldn't have seperate rules for motorcyclists perhaps we should start restricting the engine capacity of cars and not just motorbikes.



I'm definitely not opposed to having restrictions on drivers of a certain drivers type to be limited in engine capacity. I actually am in support of that.

But you simply can-not deny that quite a few bikers (I will not stereo-type all of them, as I know there are quite a few decent ones, also some of which are my friends) do cause an unnecessary hazard on the road when doing this (or doing it incorrectly, as with any decision on the road).


Edit: fixed typo - getting tired. lol





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  Reply # 324445 28-Apr-2010 22:39
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If you are insured it doesn't matter who is at fault, you have sold your liability to someone else and your policy almost certainly forbids you from admitting responsibility.  Simply state the facts on the claim form and let them decide who's fault it was.  If you're not insured you can take responsibility and pay for any damage, can ask a lawyer and/or you can let the courts decide who is at fault.

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