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  Reply # 2065014 30-Jul-2018 15:37
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Take cellphones for example. This is something people often claim are too expensive here.

 

Go to a retailler in Asia (I'm thinking the Philippines where I have spent time) and not only are the prices fairly similar for 'good' brands (in other words they are a month's or more salary for a Filipino) they are not the same handset.

 

At best they will be dual SIM and have sacrified something to achieve this (no free space inside) and at worst they will be a cheaper build unit.

 

This issue is reportedly even worse in China where government regulations control communications devices.

 

My Mother has a NZ "Samsung J5" and my wife has an Asian "Samsung J5". Both are vanilla 1st gen J5's - not J5 Prime or newer models. My Mother's is a higher spec'd handset and more suited to NZ. Hers has both LTE and B28 (700Mhz support). My wife's is 3.5G only (commonly called 4G there). They are not the same "Samsung J5".

 

Ditto for a lot of other electronic items.

 

Filipinos working in New Zealand (and other countries) send massive quantities of stuff back to the Philippines. It's not there isn't heaps of stuff available there - they actually have a far bigger retail sector even accounting for population than we do - but it's the stuff is better quality here and in other 1st world western and Asian countries.

 

Here in New Zealand, our handsets - and I am talking about medium and high priced, not low end ones - are international models - so they have heaps of frequencies and work much everywhere. My Samsung handset and tablet worked fully throughout Asia.

 

But the reverse is often not the case. In Asia the handsets they sell are domestic market stuff. Same for other electronics - they sell what works there.


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  Reply # 2065025 30-Jul-2018 15:42
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MichaelNZ:

 

cshaun:

 

I can't see NZ Post losing money on delivery items. My understanding is China would have negotiated some bulk deal. They're not forcing NZ Post to do something they don't want to.

 

 

They are loosing money because they have to deliver the items.

 

It is also the case NZ Post could screw CN / HK / SG Post in the same way. Problem is, there just isn't that much stuff going the other way.

 

It's a suck deal and NZP isn't the only ones with this problem.

 



 

My apologies. You seem to be correct. (I did look briefly into it before.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union#Current_Issues

 

Right. Well they need to fix that system I guess. They were working on the assumption that sending/receiving would roughly balance out - certainly not the case anymore.


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  Reply # 2065031 30-Jul-2018 15:51
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MichaelNZ:

 

Take cellphones for example. This is something people often claim are too expensive here.

 

Go to a retailler in Asia (I'm thinking the Philippines where I have spent time) and not only are the prices fairly similar for 'good' brands (in other words they are a month's or more salary for a Filipino) they are not the same handset.

 

At best they will be dual SIM and have sacrified something to achieve this (no free space inside) and at worst they will be a cheaper build unit.

 

This issue is reportedly even worse in China where government regulations control communications devices.

 

My Mother has a NZ "Samsung J5" and my wife has an Asian "Samsung J5". Both are vanilla 1st gen J5's - not J5 Prime or newer models. My Mother's is a higher spec'd handset and more suited to NZ. Hers has both LTE and B28 (700Mhz support). My wife's is 3.5G only (commonly called 4G there). They are not the same "Samsung J5".

 

Ditto for a lot of other electronic items.

 

Filipinos working in New Zealand (and other countries) send massive quantities of stuff back to the Philippines. It's not there isn't heaps of stuff available there - they actually have a far bigger retail sector even accounting for population than we do - but it's the stuff is better quality here and in other 1st world western and Asian countries.

 

 

Sure. But those are literally different SKU's but just have the same name. You can usually look that up.

 

Price difference in mobile phones here is usually going to be due to a few factors.

 

     

  1. Companies can charge more because consumers can pay more (higher income) - margins are likely a bit higher.
  2. Local taxes - largely the 15% GST.
  3. Higher operating costs for stores / staff.
  4. Consumer guarantees - the store needs to build in enough profit they they can deal with returns / issues.
  5. It's cheaper to ship from Asia than it is for a local company to buy stock in bulk, warehouse, and then ship locally.

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  Reply # 2065033 30-Jul-2018 15:56
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cshaun:

 

Price difference in mobile phones here is usually going to be due to a few factors.

 

     

  1. Companies can charge more because consumers can pay more (higher income) - margins are likely a bit higher.
  2. Local taxes - largely the 15% GST.
  3. Higher operating costs for stores / staff.
  4. Consumer guarantees - the store needs to build in enough profit they they can deal with returns / issues.
  5. It's cheaper to ship from Asia than it is for a local company to buy stock in bulk, warehouse, and then ship locally.

 

 

1. In real terms electronics are a lot cheaper for us.

 

2. Philippines has 12% VAT (Sales tax basically like GST)

 

3. Agreed, but competition is a lot stronger there.

 

4. That is sort of true but in reality it's the importer who wears the cost of this, not the retailler (to any great extent). It does however ensure we get better quality products.

 

Celphones are not cheap there. If the price on AliX is way cheaper it's not the same unit.

 

A high end handset is well over P20,000 there. (Average month's salary for a school teacher).


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