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  # 1152355 12-Oct-2014 20:03
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If you actually look at their plans it's really neither. They're only slightly cheaper than Orcon for 100/ 50/20 unmetered. From what I've read, they're trying to offer better quality at a similar price point. No congestion and maybe better support.

Bandwidth has come up multiple times in this thread. He's mentioned several times that they have enough bandwidth for a lot of users, which means none of this on-peak/off-peak business. It's the same speeds 24/7.


1. With margins as low as they are at this end of the marketplace, how are they going to offer better quality? It's a myth the existing players are stupid and greedy.

2. What do you mean by "on-peak/off-peak business"? I don't experience these issues.... "Same speeds 24/7" is not anything new and special.


1. I have no idea of margins in the ISP marketplace, but I welcome them to try and offer a better quality service than existing ISP's. There are a lot of areas for improvement. If their 'custom routing' feature actually works as advertised, they could get many internet cafes and places like that to pickup fiber from them. 

2. I personally know a lot of people who are affected by on-peak slowdowns.. My own internet sometimes slows down between 5-8pm - Granted this has been happening a bit less lately, it definitely does happen and its SUPER annoying.

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  # 1152356 12-Oct-2014 20:05
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BarTender:
freitasm: And that folks is why you can't have nice things.

Instead of welcoming newcomers you feel threatened with new competition (yes, you do) and try to escalate things.

I personally welcome MyRepublic to the market... I think going for UFB only is a bold move considering the low uptake of UFB in comparison to the number of xDSL possible customers available.

Adding onto that the cost of running a handover in each region ain't cheap either, nor is international capacity.

I would have thought that if you were already paying for backhaul then I would have thought also getting a EUBA/WVS handover to get a larger chance to pull customers would make sense IMHO.

I wish you the best of luck. :)

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Welcome to My Republic, I only wish I could support you financially too, as it sound like you will be very similar to 2Degrees in 'shaking up the market' and getting NZ away from the silly cap/throttle norms... Everyone kept saying it's the international bandwidth capacity limitation, right up till the moment they all jumped forward with the unlimited plans on xDSL that we see are now the norm.

Now for your plans to link up all the customers who aren't able to get Fibre anytime in the prospective future... Don't forget us when/if you DO manage to take a huge chunk of the nation onboard, and show us how to link into your network too :)

And Good luck doing it, do come back and show the sceptics how you did :)

 
 
 
 


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  # 1152358 12-Oct-2014 20:07
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Would you consider offering VDSL down the line?

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  # 1152359 12-Oct-2014 20:08
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MichaelNZ:
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Would it make sense if we had the bandwidth and connection in place, and have a commercial agreement to where we are paying for only what we use day-1, but could deliver 40 Gbps day one, but our bill would be higher for it?

I said we could serve that bandwidth.  You made the incorrect assumption I was paying for it.


Really? A 40Gbps capable router is a major expense.


And not just one, because you have to have redundancy.  MyRepublic raised $100,000,000 of new funding last year (to expand into NZ and elsewhere). At least $10 of that went to get us two of the best $5 routers we could find. </sarcasm>

Yes, we have some startup costs to make back.  We didn't start like most, with a single 100 Mbps handover on a single exchange serving a single coverage area.  We built a network that could hold many thousands of customers across the country on day-1.

The chassis have 100G cards available for them (not used, because nobody else is up to that to interconnect with).  I think the chassis is rated to 4Tbps, but I didn't pay attention to the theoretical details we'll need to worry about years away, I worried more about the details we need to worry about this week.

But it's not that hard.  The Alcatel-Lucent/Huawei/Junipers used by Telecom, Vodafone and others, any one of those can handle 100% of the NZ Internet, and they are $10k empty, and over $1M full (though in practice not every slot is maximum cost, and numbers rounded for effect).  Multiples are needed for features and geography.  Separating P from PE, multiple types of PE nodes, and other reasons, but the chassis capabilities of the top-end routers well exceed the throughput needs of NZ.  In just one of them.

So yes, we tried to spend money to do it right.  And we have upgrades planned.

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  # 1152376 12-Oct-2014 20:27
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MichaelNZ:
Go and re-read what they have written because it clearly shows they are aiming to offer more for less cost.


Our cheapest service is more expensive than everyone else's cheapest service.  I don't think I've ever mentioned lowest cost.  I know I tried not to, because there are others that beat us on price.

We don't beat everyone on price, but we've seen others do things like refuse to offer static IPs on unlimited plans, or be nation-wide, but only offer unlimited plans in select areas, most focusing on Auckland, where most of the UFB addresses are, or naked-only.

We are a good price, lower than most (but not all) for unlimited, but we should win on features.

We are trying to get the focus to be the race to the top.  None of the major players should have any plans with caps.  Sure, there'll be some boutique ISPs that will continue to sell 5G caps on copper to grannies.  But the big guys should play for the unlimited market, and anyone looking should be trying to decide whether they want 80G or 250G, but want to get unlimited and not have to worry about it.

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  # 1152387 12-Oct-2014 20:34
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When my Orcon contract runs out, I think I'll be taking a good hard look at this! Couple of questions though:

1. Just to confirm, no CGN, right?

2. IPv6 plans?

3. If you always keep network capacity above congestion level, why is there prioritisation?

4. Why is fibre TV $15, when unotelly etc are $5?

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  # 1152388 12-Oct-2014 20:35
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Whinery:

We don't beat everyone on price, but we've seen others do things like refuse to offer static IPs on unlimited plans, or be nation-wide, but only offer unlimited plans in select areas, most focusing on Auckland, where most of the UFB addresses are, or naked-only.
......

We are trying to get the focus to be the race to the top.  None of the major players should have any plans with caps.  Sure, there'll be some boutique ISPs that will continue to sell 5G caps on copper to grannies.  But the big guys should play for the unlimited market, and anyone looking should be trying to decide whether they want 80G or 250G, but want to get unlimited and not have to worry about it.


I don't know who these ISPs are, because I have never had any problem getting blocks of static IP's. This further reinforces my perception you are competing for the clients who want the most for the least price.

I avoid ISP's offering unlimited because I don't want my experience (above average traffic Internet user but not greedy) to be marginalised by data sponges.

This is not about selling 5Gb to the cliched "grannies", but about making sure there is enough to go around. Sure, you have enough at present to cater for sponges but down the track when there's more clients on board....




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  # 1152494 13-Oct-2014 07:12
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MichaelNZ: 

I avoid ISP's offering unlimited because I don't want my experience (above average traffic Internet user but not greedy) to be marginalised by data sponges.

This is not about selling 5Gb to the cliched "grannies", but about making sure there is enough to go around. Sure, you have enough at present to cater for sponges but down the track when there's more clients on board....


And if the ISP had enough bandwidth to absorb all the sponges without throttling anyone?  



You are the first person I've seen that demands higher prices and lower caps.

Sad to say, but you might be disappointed by our offers.

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  # 1152518 13-Oct-2014 08:21
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Whinery:
MichaelNZ: 

I avoid ISP's offering unlimited because I don't want my experience (above average traffic Internet user but not greedy) to be marginalised by data sponges.

This is not about selling 5Gb to the cliched "grannies", but about making sure there is enough to go around. Sure, you have enough at present to cater for sponges but down the track when there's more clients on board....


And if the ISP had enough bandwidth to absorb all the sponges without throttling anyone?  



Well, good luck to you then, but I'm not taking the risk. I've seen and heard this all before.

Whinery:

You are the first person I've seen that demands higher prices and lower caps.

Sad to say, but you might be disappointed by our offers.


People get what they pay for.




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  # 1152524 13-Oct-2014 08:42
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GZ Management: Will MyRepublic be getting their own forum?

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  # 1152530 13-Oct-2014 08:54
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MichaelNZ: People get what they pay for.


One thing people need to realize is MyRepublic is not a small ISP.

They are well known in Singapore. If I remember correctly, they have been setting up their network here since Jan this year. Anyway, I like their offering in Sgpore.






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  # 1152536 13-Oct-2014 09:35
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eXDee: GZ Management: Will MyRepublic be getting their own forum?


In time. If we have enough users seeking information and help. From time to time we clean up the forum list removing those with little to no use. A new one is only introduced if there's enough demand. If/when it happens we move all topics from the generic sections to the new section.





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  # 1152674 13-Oct-2014 11:45
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MichaelNZ: People get what they pay for.


One thing people need to realize is MyRepublic is not a small ISP.

They are well known in Singapore. If I remember correctly, they have been setting up their network here since Jan this year. Anyway, I like their offering in Sgpore.



they are getting hammered in Singapore on social Network sites for delays in installations of said product .




Common sense is not as common as you think.


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  # 1152760 13-Oct-2014 12:34
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they are getting hammered in Singapore on social Network sites for delays in installations of said product .


Yes.  They are getting so many orders that (their equivalent of) Chorus can't install them all in a timely manner.

But it seems unfair to hold local issues in foreign markets against us. 

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  # 1152794 13-Oct-2014 13:06
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I applaud MyRepublic for the innovation. I believe in the future it will no longer just be about who offers the lowest price, but rather price to performance and features.

Will be watching with keen interest.


I floated the idea several times to Slingshot for performance based enhancements or plans (like custom routing) for gaming purposes.
While I appreciate its probably a small market for enthusiasts, it is nice to see an ISP make an attempt in unexplored territory.


I am surprised with the amount of negativity. Granted there is limited detail, but hey... its not like any other ISPs reveal detailed information (if any).





Would be great if we can get a comparison of gamer vs non gamer plans in terms of tested real world performance.







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