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  # 1154083 15-Oct-2014 08:13
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Are there actually any residential ISP's providing IPv6 in NZ yet? I would think that's still several years away.. (Even though it really should here be *right now*) 

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  # 1154091 15-Oct-2014 08:25
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Bhavicp: Are there actually any residential ISP's providing IPv6 in NZ yet? I would think that's still several years away.. (Even though it really should here be *right now*) 


There are a few, and have been for maybe a good 3-4 years now.

As for right now - why? The demand for IPV6 is very, very low.





 
 
 
 


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  # 1154103 15-Oct-2014 08:45
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Uhh....

Last few pages, back to bashing the new guy.
This place is worse than an American high school.


How about people just wait for those to try the service and report back before commenting further?

I mean there are actually some proven-as-terrible ISPs in NZ. But I do not see them being bashed online daily.
Some even pose as very prominent ISPs and yet have tossers running the show behind the scenes.



My Republic (like all NZ ISPs) claim to have the best service, features, support etc.

Nothing new here, so don't know why everyone is so up in arms.



If My Republic is offering 3 months free trial, there is not a lot to lose.



-True net.
-GZ feedback.
-Speedtest.net
-DL speed screenshots.
-Traceroutes.


Will verify their claims.




What should happen?

1) Admin should lock the thread.
2) MR forum section created.
3) People await results from those participating in the trial.




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  # 1154112 15-Oct-2014 08:57
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sbiddle:
As for right now - why? The demand for IPV6 is very, very low.

Demand is low, true. But it's never going to grow much unless ISP's start providing IPv6 sooner rather than all rushing into it later, when it's *really* needed! 

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  # 1154168 15-Oct-2014 10:00
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BarTender: I don't know of any LFCs that offer the second or any additional ONT Ports for other RSPs.

So if you wanted an additional broadband connection then the LFC would typically install another ONT and provide service that way.

It's not to say that the ONTs technically couldn't provide service via the additional UNI Ports on the ONTs, but the northbound systems haven't been built to support it. If NorthPower, UFF, Enable or Chorus have provided such services via their online BSS services.


I don't know about Chorus but UFF certainly offer this as an option. The only requirement is the services on the same ONT have to be from the same product family (e.g. no mixing BS2 with BS3).

sbiddle:
Bhavicp: Are there actually any residential ISP's providing IPv6 in NZ yet? I would think that's still several years away.. (Even though it really should here be *right now*) 


There are a few, and have been for maybe a good 3-4 years now.

As for right now - why? The demand for IPV6 is very, very low.






In my opinion the ISPs with a CGNAT deployment should be doing IPv6.

This rolling chart is interesting:

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption

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  # 1154199 15-Oct-2014 10:29
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BarTender: I don't know of any LFCs that offer the second or any additional ONT Ports for other RSPs.

So if you wanted an additional broadband connection then the LFC would typically install another ONT and provide service that way.

It's not to say that the ONTs technically couldn't provide service via the additional UNI Ports on the ONTs, but the northbound systems haven't been built to support it. If NorthPower, UFF, Enable or Chorus have provided such services via their online BSS services.


I don't know about Chorus but UFF certainly offer this as an option. The only requirement is the services on the same ONT have to be from the same product family (e.g. no mixing BS2 with BS3).


But have you had any success ordering it when another RSP has service on UNI Port 1??? While it all may be technically possible and it's quite easy for someone to jump into the OLT and tutu to make it happen there will be much head desk involved when trying to order it and making sure they get it right. If they get it right by the 5th attempt it will be a success.

With all the LFCs with the exception of Chorus the ATA ports are delivered on a single VLAN, so only one RSP will be able to use them. Chorus deliver their ATA service on different VLANs so again while technically they could be provision ATA 1 and ATA2 to different RSPs, the reality I suspect is that both ATAs will only ever go to the primary RSP.





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  # 1154202 15-Oct-2014 10:31
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Has anyone figured out what traffic shaping/prioritization is in place for Myrepublic? I'm not a huge downloader by any stretch, but if I want something, I don't want to have to wait some godawful amount of time to get it.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1154210 15-Oct-2014 10:36
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gished: Has anyone figured out what traffic shaping/prioritization is in place for Myrepublic? I'm not a huge downloader by any stretch, but if I want something, I don't want to have to wait some godawful amount of time to get it.


There's supposed to be no traffic shaping. And to be honest, even if there was some heavy prioritization QoS, you're not going to get any 'bad speeds' right now. They have little users so most likely have like 99% free bandwidth.

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  # 1154240 15-Oct-2014 10:44
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sbiddle:
If you don't know what the status is with Spark and their voice solution and ONT then maybe you shouldn't be making comments on their service.



https://store.spark.co.nz/internet/page/ultrafibre30offersummary/#service-description

Ultra Fibre® 30 Unlimited Data and home phone
This option comes with a landline and a phone number as well as your broadband. The landline connects you to the public phone network so you can make local, national, international and mobile calls from your home phone. Your home phone service runs on our standard copper wire network.


Yes, I don't know the technical details. But I know they don't offer voice on the ONT for their residential offer.  You have to have legacy copper to get a phone.

I know the status.  Regardless of whether they've managed a test call in a lab, they don't have it "working" as far as the public is concerned.

Did I say anything incorrect?  Did I say anything misleading?  According to all the public statements from Telecom I could find, they have no customers working on an ONT ATA, and the current residential offer makes it quite clear they don't use the ONT for voice.

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  # 1154245 15-Oct-2014 10:49
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gished: Has anyone figured out what traffic shaping/prioritization is in place for Myrepublic? I'm not a huge downloader by any stretch, but if I want something, I don't want to have to wait some godawful amount of time to get it.


There is none in place at this point.  We have enough bandwidth for all.  We reserve the right to implement prioritization if congestion ever happens, but we are intending to never have congestion.  And No throttling, ever.

If you aren't sure, make sure you sign up soon so you lock in the 3 months free.  If you find problems at peak times, come here and share them with everyone.  But you won't have a complaint if you try it.  And there's no risk if you sign up under the initial offer.

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Marc Whinery
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  # 1154274 15-Oct-2014 11:02
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gished: Has anyone figured out what traffic shaping/prioritization is in place for Myrepublic? I'm not a huge downloader by any stretch, but if I want something, I don't want to have to wait some godawful amount of time to get it.


There's supposed to be no traffic shaping. And to be honest, even if there was some heavy prioritization QoS, you're not going to get any 'bad speeds' right now. They have little users so most likely have like 99% free bandwidth.


yep,  most likely you'll be fine for now.  Very few customers on a large network means a good experience.

have a look here

http://www.myrepublic.co.nz/about

for Local network:
Consistent upgrades prevent congestion on our local network

Network congestion causes slow speeds as everyone competes with limited bandwidth. To ensure this doesn't happen, MyRepublic engineers constantly monitor and manage our local network, upgrading its capacity as our customer base grows over time. As a result, MyRepublic local network capacity is consistently more than what our customer base requires.

(I would expect all ISPs in NZ to do this anyway)


For International Traffic they do have traffic management in place though:

"Data Prioritisation for international downloads protects video streaming, gaming, VolP and web surfing from network congestion 99% of the time


For international downloads, we identify the data packets coming into our network and assign them different priorities.This prioritisation system ensures that there is never any network congestion for data in the High and Very High priority categories, which covers video streaming, gaming, VoIP and web surfing data."

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  # 1154282 15-Oct-2014 11:08
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myfullflavour:
I don't know about Chorus but UFF certainly offer this as an option.


I've been told by Chorus "no".  They won't mix RSPs on an ONT.  I had heard that it's possible, and intended, years ago when UFB was newer.  But the details of commercial agreements led to that being a no.  So, say you are an RSP, and you want to add a new service, so you request port 2 with a specific config.  If that's taken by someone else, then you have one (or some small number of customers) with a unique configuration.  So one RSP may have a customer unplug the wrong port (belonging to another RSP) because it was an unexpected configuration.


Those types of things are why it became a "no", from what I was told.

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  # 1154292 15-Oct-2014 11:19
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NonprayingMantis:

As a result, MyRepublic local network capacity is consistently more than what our customer base requires.

(I would expect all ISPs in NZ to do this anyway)


You are a funny guy.  If that happened, nobody would be complaining about speeds here, but I see countless complaints about speeds (especially peak times) in NZ, from customers of multiple NZ ISPs.

- Marc

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  # 1154308 15-Oct-2014 11:39
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Whinery:
sbiddle:
If you don't know what the status is with Spark and their voice solution and ONT then maybe you shouldn't be making comments on their service.



https://store.spark.co.nz/internet/page/ultrafibre30offersummary/#service-description

Ultra Fibre® 30 Unlimited Data and home phone
This option comes with a landline and a phone number as well as your broadband. The landline connects you to the public phone network so you can make local, national, international and mobile calls from your home phone. Your home phone service runs on our standard copper wire network.


Yes, I don't know the technical details. But I know they don't offer voice on the ONT for their residential offer.  You have to have legacy copper to get a phone.

I know the status.  Regardless of whether they've managed a test call in a lab, they don't have it "working" as far as the public is concerned.

Did I say anything incorrect?  Did I say anything misleading?  According to all the public statements from Telecom I could find, they have no customers working on an ONT ATA, and the current residential offer makes it quite clear they don't use the ONT for voice.

Regards,
Marc Whinery
Senior Product Manager, MyRepublic


You inferred they weren't using the ATA port at all, which is incorrect. The ONT port is provisioned, and will be used.

As for users on this, there are none at present (as my understanding is trial users have been removed awaiting the final launch) but there will be a mass migration across once this goes live.



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  # 1154310 15-Oct-2014 11:40
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Whinery:
NonprayingMantis:

As a result, MyRepublic local network capacity is consistently more than what our customer base requires.

(I would expect all ISPs in NZ to do this anyway)


You are a funny guy.  If that happened, nobody would be complaining about speeds here, but I see countless complaints about speeds (especially peak times) in NZ, from customers of multiple NZ ISPs.

- Marc


there would still be heaps of speed complaints from people in these situations:

where they are testing over wifi which is congested  (very very common)
where they are testing at the same time as torrenting
where they are testing at the same time as backing up their computer to the cloud
where they are testing at the same time as downloading a windows update
Where they are testing at the same time as their flatmates are watching youtube.
where they are complaining about international speeds
Where the servers they are connecting to limit the throughput


From reading the threads on here, 9 times out of 10 it is one of the above situations.  The other time, we never find out.



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