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# 220128 27-Jul-2017 12:50
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MyRepublic appear to be going through a lot of change in performance.  Better backhaul or CDN access?

 

TrueNet monthly report for June 2017 focusses on the change in webpage average speeds where we download over almost 50 pages on all technologies.

 

See it here

 

https://truenet.nz/story/2017/07/june-2017-urban-broadband-report 


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  # 1832215 27-Jul-2017 13:22
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What are you doing about all your (obviously flawed) data that's showing multiple providers with peak time speeds well in excess of 100Mbps?

 

https://truenet.nz/story/2017/07/june-2017-urban-broadband-report#Speed




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  # 1832326 27-Jul-2017 15:19
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sbiddle:

 

What are you doing about all your (obviously flawed) data that's showing multiple providers with peak time speeds well in excess of 100Mbps?

 

https://truenet.nz/story/2017/07/june-2017-urban-broadband-report#Speed

 

 

I have spent the last day checking these results - our analyst had already checked them 2 weeks ago, so this is a waste of time, but I have found out about an interesting feature of the NZ fibre network.

 

I can confirm our Fibre 100Mb/s chart is accurate.  There is NO FLAW.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1832346 27-Jul-2017 15:53
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I'm trying to understand this too. How can a panelist who has said they buy a 100Mbps service, and then receive in excess of 200Mbps, be used as proper data in these graphs?

 

Also, I assume it's up to the end user to tell you what their plan is. So they could quite easily just forget to update their profile after a plan change? And then there is the Vodafone data.. isn't the base cable plan these days 130/10 - which would line up with their results of around 120. Just doesn't seem right to have it on a graph "Median of Peak Speed for 100Mb/s Fibre services". Again, its up to the user to tell you their plan right? I bet no one gets confused with the "FibreX" plans.... 

 

I would expect to see results hovering around the 100-110 to account for the "over-provisioning" (like Chorus' right performing). But if they are consistently hitting speeds well above what they buy, how can that count as proper data - there is clearly just a provisioning issue. And I would say wrong speed allocations happen irregularly and are not "quite common".


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  # 1832347 27-Jul-2017 16:01
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I'm pretty sure I've worked out what's happened with the results. IF I am correct then they are accurately collected results for this narrow test scenario. Whether they could be interpreted as representative of real world experiences in general is another matter entirely. 

 

John knows my number. Happy to discuss if he'd like to call.

 

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  # 1832349 27-Jul-2017 16:02
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Looks a bit flawed to me also. I can also see MyRepublic is excluded from quite a few of the charts. How do we know that it isn't simply the test probes having their connection moved to 200/20?





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  # 1832357 27-Jul-2017 16:07
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michaelmurfy:

 

Looks a bit flawed to me also. I can also see MyRepublic is excluded from quite a few of the charts. How do we know that it isn't simply the test probes having their connection moved to 200/20?

 

 

Speedtest 2.0?


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  # 1832361 27-Jul-2017 16:11
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A lot of the charts also just have a line for "fibre" ... when some are 30Mbps plans, some gigabit (or whatever we're allowed to call it now), etc, this doesn't seem to provide a meaningful comparison between the same service on two providers, what does it tell us?


 
 
 
 




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  # 1832381 27-Jul-2017 16:41
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To help here:

 

 

 

1. Try not to shoot the messenger - we just test and report.   I can confirm that not only are the panelists confirming that they have bought 100, but also I have checked with what was happening in a number of networks in June.  

 

2. The test is not a "Narrow test example" it is a simple download test and we do a number of test of varying sizes to provide confirmation, including 3 separate tests from speedtest.net servers.

 

 

 

BTW, on Average Website Speed charts we mix all Fibre >=100Mb/s together, because if we showed 100, 200 and GigE together in one chart you will struggle to see the difference.


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  # 1832391 27-Jul-2017 16:52
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JohnButt:

 

To help here:

 

 

 

1. Try not to shoot the messenger - we just test and report.   I can confirm that not only are the panelists confirming that they have bought 100, but also I have checked with what was happening in a number of networks in June.  

 

2. The test is not a "Narrow test example" it is a simple download test and we do a number of test of varying sizes to provide confirmation, including 3 separate tests from speedtest.net servers.

 

 

 

BTW, on Average Website Speed charts we mix all Fibre >=100Mb/s together, because if we showed 100, 200 and GigE together in one chart you will struggle to see the difference.

 

 

So you believe that users would be able to sustain those reported speeds over several seconds, or even minutes?

 

Cheers - N

 

 





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  # 1832394 27-Jul-2017 16:55
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im just curious when you are going to do larger file sizes, like 50mb say. 5mb is nothing these days on the likes of a 200mbps connection, it doesn't even have time to ramp up fully.




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  # 1832752 28-Jul-2017 11:35
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Jase2985:

 

im just curious when you are going to do larger file sizes, like 50mb say. 5mb is nothing these days on the likes of a 200mbps connection, it doesn't even have time to ramp up fully.

 

 

We do larger files to test rampup, 5MB and 14MB.  Rampup is typically good for just a 2MB file for 100Mb/s with only infrequent errors caused by sampling, 5MB is rarely short of two quartiles at the same speed.  We have also run a few tests on 100MB files and found them no different in overall results from our 5MB files.  I believe we should also not load the NZ network with enormous data queries just for testing, BTW we do each test 720 times per probe per month - that can be a lot of data.

 

The bigger question, and one which I am interested in a debate over, is "What is the real speed?  Does it include the impact of rampup or is it just bragging rights to the biggest number?"  What is the point of knowing the biggest speed?

 

Why I put it that way is that some ISPs have significantly slower rampup than others, and that impacts on performance, and it may be especially so for browsing.  

 

Maybe we should report rampup separately from speed?  Maybe we should wait for the burst that shows the biggest possible number?  I would appreciate hearing opinions




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  # 1832755 28-Jul-2017 11:36
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Talkiet:

 

JohnButt:

 

To help here:

 

 

 

1. Try not to shoot the messenger - we just test and report.   I can confirm that not only are the panelists confirming that they have bought 100, but also I have checked with what was happening in a number of networks in June.  

 

2. The test is not a "Narrow test example" it is a simple download test and we do a number of test of varying sizes to provide confirmation, including 3 separate tests from speedtest.net servers.

 

 

 

BTW, on Average Website Speed charts we mix all Fibre >=100Mb/s together, because if we showed 100, 200 and GigE together in one chart you will struggle to see the difference.

 

 

So you believe that users would be able to sustain those reported speeds over several seconds, or even minutes?

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, although only while they have that service.


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