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  Reply # 1117138 28-Aug-2014 10:43
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Our app is available only for iPad, so no iPhone app.

/Jakob




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  Reply # 1117140 28-Aug-2014 10:44
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Lightbox: Our app is available only for iPad, so no iPhone app.

/Jakob


Is there somewhere we can log a feature request to have one considered? :-)

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  Reply # 1117143 28-Aug-2014 10:48
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You can tell me.

Request noted.

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  Reply # 1117144 28-Aug-2014 10:48
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dclegg:
SheriffNZ: Plus one to rolling the iOS app out to other devices!


I'd hope that would be relatively low hanging fruit, as they already have code for the iPad version that they could hopefully utilise & share.


Sadly in NZ there seems to be little appetite for developers to use cross platform coding techniques. Thus, whilst they have an iPad app, the only real "low hanging fruit" is going to be the iPhone. You can't take a native app from one platform and just reuse the code on another which requires you to recode for that platform's APIs, in a different language, etc, etc. 

I'd LOVE for them to surprise me and say something like "well actually Mark, we wrote the iOS app using Xamarin for iOS so its going to be a super easy port to Android" but I really doubt it will happen. Consider that if they DID have a large amount of reusable/cross platform code, they'd surely have launched with an app for more than one platform?

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  Reply # 1117152 28-Aug-2014 10:54
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markl:
Sadly in NZ there seems to be little appetite for developers to use cross platform coding techniques. Thus, whilst they have an iPad app, the only real "low hanging fruit" is going to be the iPhone. You can't take a native app from one platform and just reuse the code on another which requires you to recode for that platform's APIs, in a different language, etc, etc. 


Well, you can if you use the right tools :-)

In addition to Xamarin which you've already mentioned, there's RAD Studio from Embarcadero (or AppMethod if you want their rebranded, mobile focused version). It allows you to target Windows, OSX, iOS and Android from the same code base, with a cross-platform UI library to assist with that.

Although in the case of Lightbox, I'd hazard a guess that they've probably used Xcode. While it won't be much help in creating an Android version, it may allow them to create an iPhone version which utilises the same model and controller classes, if they've followed the MVC programming paradigm that Apple strongly encourages.

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  Reply # 1117153 28-Aug-2014 10:55
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BigMal: What do we think are the priority apps/platforms?

iPad - done
Android
Pplaystation
Xbox
Chromecast
Roku

Roku would be best for me but I think I'm in the minority so not holding my breath.



I'd put Samsung Apps on the list fairly high, I don't really like the idea of having to plug my computer into the TV each time.

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  Reply # 1117155 28-Aug-2014 10:55
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markl:
dclegg:
SheriffNZ: Plus one to rolling the iOS app out to other devices!


I'd hope that would be relatively low hanging fruit, as they already have code for the iPad version that they could hopefully utilise & share.


Sadly in NZ there seems to be little appetite for developers to use cross platform coding techniques. Thus, whilst they have an iPad app, the only real "low hanging fruit" is going to be the iPhone. You can't take a native app from one platform and just reuse the code on another which requires you to recode for that platform's APIs, in a different language, etc, etc. 

I'd LOVE for them to surprise me and say something like "well actually Mark, we wrote the iOS app using Xamarin for iOS so its going to be a super easy port to Android" but I really doubt it will happen. Consider that if they DID have a large amount of reusable/cross platform code, they'd surely have launched with an app for more than one platform?


My experience is that there really aren't any short cuts here - if you want a robust, tight and zippy app on a device, you're going to have to work native. This goes double with video streaming, as you're going to have to wire in specialised players on every device. Content providers generally don't like non native frameworks either, as they're considered less secure. 

If things were really easy, that's how we (and everyone else) would be doing them. 




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  Reply # 1117157 28-Aug-2014 11:00
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DarkShadow:
nigelj:
PhantomNVD:
loceff13:
NonprayingMantis:
loceff13: Any idea if prezzy cards will work on the service? I'm guessing not as there's little to stop you using a card with no credit just to use the trial..


pretty sure prezzie cards just look like normal credit cards to payment gateways.  So, I would assume it would work.



I'm guessing they plan to have something in place to prevent people just making new accounts and starting new 30 day trials rather than signing up for $15 a month.


What do Netflix do to stop you doing this?

TBH for $15/month not many adults would bother going to that extent of trouble surely?

*edit* and maybe they could just track your device(s) MAC addresses? That would solve their issue with one laptop using 3 slots due to browser changes too, and few people would bother or know how to MAC spoof either :D


Well the #1 method is one trial per CC number, with Prezzie cards costing ~$7 + initial top up + Whatever is left after your purchases (foot-in-mouth) + timespent at Postshop/Queues you are better off just paying Lightbox.

I'd imagine they'd also have some way of tracking down 'odd' patterns, plus I seem to recall someone (Quickflix???) had a thing where if you unlinked a device from your account, it couldn't be linked to a different account for X days (a month or two), so that is another 2 potential 'anti-fraud' options.

Not really worth it to tell the truth.

You can only delete one device every 30 days. So yeah.


not quite the idea we're discussing?

a NEW ACCOUNT would trigger a new set of 5 devices and a further 30 days free... 

since (in the Beta) some people had one laptop register itself 3 times just because they cleared the browser cache, so it's not keeping the laptop MAC or anything device specific (read the beta thread for details)

Back to the question, what can they do to prevent a new account every month?

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  Reply # 1117158 28-Aug-2014 11:04
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PhantomNVD:

Back to the question, what can they do to prevent a new account every month?


And how much do you want to make your legitimate customers jump through hoops to catch the minority who abuse it?




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  Reply # 1117173 28-Aug-2014 11:43
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dclegg:
markl:
Sadly in NZ there seems to be little appetite for developers to use cross platform coding techniques. Thus, whilst they have an iPad app, the only real "low hanging fruit" is going to be the iPhone. You can't take a native app from one platform and just reuse the code on another which requires you to recode for that platform's APIs, in a different language, etc, etc. 


Well, you can if you use the right tools :-)

In addition to Xamarin which you've already mentioned, there's RAD Studio from Embarcadero (or AppMethod if you want their rebranded, mobile focused version). It allows you to target Windows, OSX, iOS and Android from the same code base, with a cross-platform UI library to assist with that.

Although in the case of Lightbox, I'd hazard a guess that they've probably used Xcode. While it won't be much help in creating an Android version, it may allow them to create an iPhone version which utilises the same model and controller classes, if they've followed the MVC programming paradigm that Apple strongly encourages.


Yeah, that was my point...I know Xamarin is only one example but it illustrates the point :) 

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  Reply # 1117174 28-Aug-2014 11:43
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Lightbox: Our app is available only for iPad, so no iPhone app.

/Jakob


I don't understand why the service is not available on a mobile device ? TV anywhere is name of the game... just like music :) 

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  Reply # 1117180 28-Aug-2014 11:46
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Lightbox: 

My experience is that there really aren't any short cuts here - if you want a robust, tight and zippy app on a device, you're going to have to work native. This goes double with video streaming, as you're going to have to wire in specialised players on every device. Content providers generally don't like non native frameworks either, as they're considered less secure. 

If things were really easy, that's how we (and everyone else) would be doing them. 


Fair enough, you make the call that you think is going to work best for your situation, that's how things work. I know that cross platform often requires compromise, but I do also know that (and to be fair, I've not done a video app before) many cross platform tools can in fact give you a true native-app experience. I'm not talking things like Phonegap which just host a bunch of web pages in a webview wrapped in a native app shell, there are a number of tools out there (some already mentioned) which actually create fully native apps from cross platform code.

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  Reply # 1117182 28-Aug-2014 11:52
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Signed up early this morning (4am) and it worked great.  Good Job to Spark.  Watched a full episode of X Files with no interruption, and quality was good.  I then tried to add my IPad and got an error saying all devices were assigned and I would have to remove one.  It showed for the devices:
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer

So when I created the account on the PC it somehow registered all 5 devices to the PC.  Or, maybe each time I watched an episode it added a new device.

I then tried to use the computer again and got this message:

Playback Error
and something about all 5 devices registered, so cannot use the service.  Can log in though with no problems.

I have sent an error message to Lightbox help, hope to get something back in 24 hours.
I am using Wireless Nation satellite service and maybe they somehow keep changing the IP address or whatever it is that Lightbox uses to identify the devices.  Anyway, I am down and will update the forum if we find a solution.


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  Reply # 1117183 28-Aug-2014 11:56
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CraigY: Signed up early this morning (4am) and it worked great.  Good Job to Spark.  Watched a full episode of X Files with no interruption, and quality was good.  I then tried to add my IPad and got an error saying all devices were assigned and I would have to remove one.  It showed for the devices:
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer
PC Computer

So when I created the account on the PC it somehow registered all 5 devices to the PC.  Or, maybe each time I watched an episode it added a new device.

I then tried to use the computer again and got this message:

Playback Error
and something about all 5 devices registered, so cannot use the service.  Can log in though with no problems.

I have sent an error message to Lightbox help, hope to get something back in 24 hours.
I am using Wireless Nation satellite service and maybe they somehow keep changing the IP address or whatever it is that Lightbox uses to identify the devices.  Anyway, I am down and will update the forum if we find a solution.



This can happen if you've got very stringent security settings, browse incognito or clear out the Silverlight cache when closing your browser - your device is registered with us, but you're clearing out the identity of it stored locally, so we can't recognise it and register it anew.

Our support will be able to help you with the multiple registrations, but you're going to see it happen again unless you change your settings.




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  Reply # 1117184 28-Aug-2014 11:58
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Lightbox:
markl:
dclegg:
SheriffNZ: Plus one to rolling the iOS app out to other devices!


I'd hope that would be relatively low hanging fruit, as they already have code for the iPad version that they could hopefully utilise & share.


Sadly in NZ there seems to be little appetite for developers to use cross platform coding techniques. Thus, whilst they have an iPad app, the only real "low hanging fruit" is going to be the iPhone. You can't take a native app from one platform and just reuse the code on another which requires you to recode for that platform's APIs, in a different language, etc, etc. 

I'd LOVE for them to surprise me and say something like "well actually Mark, we wrote the iOS app using Xamarin for iOS so its going to be a super easy port to Android" but I really doubt it will happen. Consider that if they DID have a large amount of reusable/cross platform code, they'd surely have launched with an app for more than one platform?


My experience is that there really aren't any short cuts here - if you want a robust, tight and zippy app on a device, you're going to have to work native. This goes double with video streaming, as you're going to have to wire in specialised players on every device. Content providers generally don't like non native frameworks either, as they're considered less secure. 

If things were really easy, that's how we (and everyone else) would be doing them. 


There are plenty of companies that deliver a cross platform capability for content .e Nuelion for PLP pass. These companies have been in the game a while. Not sure who lightbox have used or if they are doing it in house and re-inventing the wheel from scratch, possibly looks like it based on limited apps/platforms.

Lighbox can you comment if you designing the interfaces in house ?    

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