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  Reply # 1548108 7-May-2016 23:13
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Yes Ngatai's collision with Dixon was dangerous and he was lucky to escape with only a yellow. But it wasn't deliberate, or foul play. It looked spectacular and the only mitigation was that Dixon jumped up into the tackle and put his centre of gravity well above Ngatai's shoulder who was already committed to the tackle and clearly didn't know where Dixon had gone. But its completely different from deliberately cleaning a jumping player's legs out from under him, or speartackling. Otherwise it would seem that the next step by the rule makers will be to not allow tackles if the ball carrier doesn't have both feet on the ground. But then again Naholo diving in on Lowe who was on the ground retrieving the ball, was a deliberate act of foul play that went unpunished, so go figure. Ngatai's yellow was the appropriate decision, but I am a Chiefs supporter. Although the way they played tonight, was hard to watch.
The Chiefs were never going to win when the ball appeared to turn into a piece of soap every time they got hold of it.
I also don't think the pass to Naholo was forward.
The second yellow was just plain dumb and removed any chance of a fightback. You can't win a game either, when your talismanic players like Retallick, Cruden, McKenzie and Leitch are spilling the ball. The only phase that the Chiefs were better than the Highlanders was the lineout. Apart from flashes of brilliance they were outplayed by a clever defence and surgical attack.
Aaron Smith didn't have a stunner, but he still showed Brad Webber who is No1.

The next game that has me excited is the Crusaders/Highlanders clash next Friday. Should be a cracker.




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  Reply # 1548142 8-May-2016 07:16
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If anything Ngatai was guilty of tackling the player without the ball, but players anticipate someone catching the ball all the time while making tackles.

 

The ball is kicked through, Dixon attacks the ball. Ngatai initially attacks the ball but then realises Dixon will get there first.

 

The ball bounces, Ngatai is watching the ball and Dixon.  Dixon puts his hand up to catch the ball, Ngatai sees that and prepares to make the tackle. Ngatai puts his head down and makes contact around Dixons knees, and at the same time Dixon jumps into the air, causing his own loss of equilibrium.  The contact was made a split second after Dixon contacted the ball, which bounced off his shoulder.

 

Once Ngatai realises what is happening he releases Dixon.  The momentum of the contact causes the 'perception' that he has attempted some sort of lift.

 

If we're not careful we'll end up like the EPL, with players diving not only for penalties but also to gain a numerical on-field advantage for their team.  I am in no way saying Dixon did this for that purpose, but once players know that tacklers will be carded regardless of their part in an instant, then that is a possibility.

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1548169 8-May-2016 08:12
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He went in low and I agree Dixon went in high however Ngatai stood up to full height and released him at the top of the movement. Had he of remained low instead of standing during his tackle it would have been nothing.



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  Reply # 1548415 8-May-2016 21:47
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Ok I can't link this photo directly, but you'll see the one with Dixon upside down (entirely). Any player that plays ANY part in putting a player in this position should be red carded. It's disgraceful to think that anyone would use the word "luck" to describe why a decision like that shouldn't be red. The player shouldn't be "lucky" not to get injured in this manner. Yes it's a contact sport, but it's not acrobatics. There should be no "luck" in that decision at all. He is upside down after a collision. Ngatai stood up in the tackle which made it worse than it would have otherwise been. Had he NOT have done that, he isn't getting a card at ALL. He may not have intended to do it, but he did it.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/79746333/highlanders-and-crusaders-poised-for-epic-super-rugby-clash

 

I am NOT attacking Ngatai (as a person or a player) here, it wasn't his decision what punishment he got. I don't believe for a second that he initially intended to upend Dixon, but he DID stand up in the tackle.

 

Intent is also not a requirement for a Red Card. Luck shouldn't be a factor in NOT getting one either.

 

 




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  Reply # 1548475 9-May-2016 08:35
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  Reply # 1548530 9-May-2016 09:34
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At the end of the day the people upstairs decide the outcome that spectators and commentators can only bicker about. Who cares.

 

Yellows or red, red or yellow.

 

Penalty to team A or penalty to team B.

 

Penalty or no penalty - remember Scotland should (could) have beaten Australia in the RWC if not for this. And Australia could have scored to level the RWC final if Whitelock hadn't deliberately tripped their back (can't remember who it was) while the ABs we scrambling backwards with no one at home. Scotland bickered - did it change anything. Australia move on and went on to lose coz Barrett scored at the other end thanks to that very professional foul.

 

Yellow or red? I'd move on as soon as the ref has.


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  Reply # 1548544 9-May-2016 09:56
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At the end of the day the people upstairs decide the outcome that spectators and commentators can only bicker about. Who cares.

 

Yellows or red, red or yellow.

 

Penalty to team A or penalty to team B.

 

Penalty or no penalty - remember Scotland should (could) have beaten Australia in the RWC if not for this. And Australia could have scored to level the RWC final if Whitelock hadn't deliberately tripped their back (can't remember who it was) while the ABs we scrambling backwards with no one at home. Scotland bickered - did it change anything. Australia move on and went on to lose coz Barrett scored at the other end thanks to that very professional foul.

 

Yellow or red? I'd move on as soon as the ref has.

 

 

But its the {insert team name here}, and somebody has an axe to grind...




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  Reply # 1548553 9-May-2016 10:18
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But its the {insert team name here}, and somebody has an axe to grind...



If that was directed at me and my supposed bias against the Chiefs don't be disingenuous. This has nothing to do with that. If it were Kr rm or DC I would 100% have said the same. I like Charlie and think he has played well this season.



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  Reply # 1551439 12-May-2016 12:27
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Disappointing that the 5 Hurricanes (incl 3 AB's) let themselves and their team down by failing to meet curfew. Julian is turning into a bit of a problem child I think, if you take into account 2 big weight gains and fitness issues, along with average form. May not be as big of a problem with "Wing" congestion as was originally thought. Janes heart just doesn't seem in it the way it was a couple of years ago, I suspect he allowed his non-selection for the RWC, to "defeat" him. 


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  Reply # 1551442 12-May-2016 12:31
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Disappointing that the 5 Hurricanes (incl 3 AB's) let themselves and their team down by failing to meet curfew. Julian is turning into a bit of a problem child I think, if you take into account 2 big weight gains and fitness issues, along with average form. May not be as big of a problem with "Wing" congestion as was originally thought. Janes heart just doesn't seem in it the way it was a couple of years ago, I suspect he allowed his non-selection for the RWC, to "defeat" him. 

 

 

Some people are disciplined, some aren't. It doesn't matter whether you are at boarding school or the army, someone is bound to break the rules just coz they can't control themselves.


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  Reply # 1551448 12-May-2016 12:49
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Disappointing that the 5 Hurricanes (incl 3 AB's) let themselves and their team down by failing to meet curfew. Julian is turning into a bit of a problem child I think, if you take into account 2 big weight gains and fitness issues, along with average form. May not be as big of a problem with "Wing" congestion as was originally thought. Janes heart just doesn't seem in it the way it was a couple of years ago, I suspect he allowed his non-selection for the RWC, to "defeat" him. 

 

 

As a Hurricanes supporter, I'm pleased to see some of the other players getting a start. This problem becomes an opportunity for the replacements to shine. I hope that they do.

 

I hope that the team will beat the Reds. Their performances can vary so markedly that I don't have much confidence that they will win even against the weakest teams.




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  Reply # 1551451 12-May-2016 12:54
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networkn:

 

Disappointing that the 5 Hurricanes (incl 3 AB's) let themselves and their team down by failing to meet curfew. Julian is turning into a bit of a problem child I think, if you take into account 2 big weight gains and fitness issues, along with average form. May not be as big of a problem with "Wing" congestion as was originally thought. Janes heart just doesn't seem in it the way it was a couple of years ago, I suspect he allowed his non-selection for the RWC, to "defeat" him. 

 

 

As a Hurricanes supporter, I'm pleased to see some of the other players getting a start. This problem becomes an opportunity for the replacements to shine. I hope that they do.

 

I hope that the team will beat the Reds. Their performances can vary so markedly that I don't have much confidence that they will win even against the weakest teams.

 

 

 

 

I agree, it's nice to see some of those lesser known players get a start regardless of the reason. If Fridays showing against the Crusaders was any indication, a blind and hog tied Hurricanes side could beat the Reds. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1551462 12-May-2016 13:23
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...  a blind and hog tied Hurricanes side could beat the Reds. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, how we hope. It will be so funny if we are disappointed yet again.




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  Reply # 1551464 12-May-2016 13:28
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Hammerer:

 

networkn:

 

...  a blind and hog tied Hurricanes side could beat the Reds. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, how we hope. It will be so funny if we are disappointed yet again.

 

 

I think that honestly, the Hurricanes are missing Conrad Smith more than all the players combined. I believe we will have a similar issue with the AB's if they go with the pairing of Fekitoa and someone else. I think they need Crotty or a similar "solid" tactical thinker in that position (Centre), with less show, but more dependable on defence and distribution.

 

I am happy to be proven wrong of course.

 

I'd be pretty keen to see what a pairing of Ngatai and Crotty would be like, though I don't see them excluding Fekitoa. 

 

 


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