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Reply # 1834084 31-Jul-2017 09:38

Jas777:
Most after game speeches and those in the game are a waste of time anyway. They seem to me to be pointless as I know exactly what is going to be said. The stock standard 5 to 6 responses are so old hat.

And if you are the opposition do you really want the team that beat you to say the same old 'Thanks for the game, you played well, it was a tough game' etc etc. It doesn't mean anything. Socialising with the opposition later on is much better.

That's why Cruden's after match comment calling out the TMO for disallowing Nanae-Williams' try was refreshing. But he did say he was leaving so that's why he commented.
There are plenty of comments made through gritted teeth where the subtext is obvious for all but the most unobservant to see.

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Reply # 1834087 31-Jul-2017 09:40

On another track does anyone know how flights and accommodation are sorted from week to week with the teams not knowing who is going where and how? Esp in the Quarters and Semis any number of combinations could mean 2 or more sets of flights and accommodations etc.

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Reply # 1834101 31-Jul-2017 10:00

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On another track does anyone know how flights and accommodation are sorted from week to week with the teams not knowing who is going where and how? Esp in the Quarters and Semis any number of combinations could mean 2 or more sets of flights and accommodations etc.

Pretty simple for the Lions and Crusaders really. The Lions book nothing and the Crusaders book refundable class air tickets to Johannesburg as soon as they finished second. Accommodation similar but they may lose their deposit.
As for all the teams below the top two, just another reason to call 'shambles' on the current Super Rugby structure. I see there are already moves afoot for 2020 to split into Australasian and African competitions.
Maybe the best would be everybody plays everybody once and then the team at the end with the most points wins the competition (doing away with finals series completely). Tie breaks could be who beat who, then remove bonus points from the equation, then look at points differential, then tries scored, then yellow and red cards, and if after all of that it's still a draw, award it to the NZ team 😁. (If it's two NZ teams they can share it).

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Reply # 1834374 31-Jul-2017 15:09

@Jas777:

Dingbatt: Lions stats are skewed by playing no NZ teams until the semifinals.
The fault of the crap super rugby format, not the Lions.

Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs the Crusaders had 7 games against them as opposed to 4 for the Lions.

Looking at home and away stats the Lions are by far and away the best team so you have to favour them in the final.

The other thing which should be massively in their favour is the Crusaders are going from playing night games on a heavy track to a day game on a fast track. Not sure if they can adapt quick enough

With thinner air, less oxygen, and against 100,000 supporters yelling the carp out of them.

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Reply # 1834375 31-Jul-2017 15:12

@Dingbatt:
networkn:

On another track does anyone know how flights and accommodation are sorted from week to week with the teams not knowing who is going where and how? Esp in the Quarters and Semis any number of combinations could mean 2 or more sets of flights and accommodations etc.

Pretty simple for the Lions and Crusaders really. The Lions book nothing and the Crusaders book refundable class air tickets to Johannesburg as soon as they finished second. Accommodation similar but they may lose their deposit.
As for all the teams below the top two, just another reason to call 'shambles' on the current Super Rugby structure. I see there are already moves afoot for 2020 to split into Australasian and African competitions.
Maybe the best would be everybody plays everybody once and then the team at the end with the most points wins the competition (doing away with finals series completely). Tie breaks could be who beat who, then remove bonus points from the equation, then look at points differential, then tries scored, then yellow and red cards, and if after all of that it's still a draw, award it to the NZ team 😁. (If it's two NZ teams they can share it).

I could imagine that booking 35 business class seats on short notice fully refundable would cost the earth. I assume Saanzar would contribute to this in some way by Merit of the fact you are a finalist etc?

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Reply # 1834387 31-Jul-2017 15:27

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

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Reply # 1834390 31-Jul-2017 15:28

@JonnyCam:

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

And nobody turned up at the "stadium" so they must've made a rather big loss that day.

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Reply # 1834392 31-Jul-2017 15:30

@JonnyCam:

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

Do you have a link to that report? I'm always interested in that kind of stuff and I never see it in any of the material I read.

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Reply # 1834393 31-Jul-2017 15:31

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@JonnyCam:

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

And nobody turned up at the "stadium" so they must've made a rather big loss that day.

10,000 isn't none but yes, I agree, I was surprised to see the stadiums of a number of the matches more empty than expected. It's a bit of a worry really. Normally you can count on Cantabrians to turn up rain or shine.

An Indoor stadium might be nice.

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Reply # 1834394 31-Jul-2017 15:31

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@JonnyCam:

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

And nobody turned up at the "stadium" so they must've made a rather big loss that day.

Seems strange they have to pay for the Chiefs to travel back from SA, like they weren't going to be coming back anyway. It's beneficial to play teams int henext round who were playing finals in your own country (even if they are from overseas) or you need more ticket sales to break even, make some money.

Unsure what they get paid for reaching the quarters, semis, final (and winning the thing)

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Reply # 1834414 31-Jul-2017 16:16

@networkn:

@JonnyCam:

The Lions pay 1/3 of the travel costs for the Crusaders, plus appearance fee. (assume travel costs might also include accommodation)

A report the other day said the Crusaders had to pay the chiefs 1/3 of the travel back from SA, plus $100,000 appearance fee.

Do you have a link to that report? I'm always interested in that kind of stuff and I never see it in any of the material I read.

it's a stuff article, so could be 20% accurate as usual.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/95256640/crusaders-boss-hamish-riach-believes-fans-have-had-enough-of-stadium

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Reply # 1834443 31-Jul-2017 16:30

@networkn:

10,000 isn't none but yes, I agree, I was surprised to see the stadiums of a number of the matches more empty than expected. It's a bit of a worry really. Normally you can count on Cantabrians to turn up rain or shine.

An Indoor stadium might be nice.

I had my first rugby game at Forsyth Barr during the Lions series (don't live there so hard for regular games) and it was bloody freezing.

It's also not just the indoor stadium. After I watched the Lions, I left and walked down the road in snow / sleet to find a cab. If it was 0 degrees outside, I might not go to a game at a covered stadium if the walk to or from was awful.

Same as Wellington, even if it was covered, you still have the orrid walk across he concourse in the pouring rain / gale force southerly.

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Reply # 1834445 31-Jul-2017 16:35

@JonnyCam:

@networkn:

10,000 isn't none but yes, I agree, I was surprised to see the stadiums of a number of the matches more empty than expected. It's a bit of a worry really. Normally you can count on Cantabrians to turn up rain or shine.

An Indoor stadium might be nice.

I had my first rugby game at Forsyth Barr during the Lions series (don't live there so hard for regular games) and it was bloody freezing.

It's also not just the indoor stadium. After I watched the Lions, I left and walked down the road in snow / sleet to find a cab. If it was 0 degrees outside, I might not go to a game at a covered stadium if the walk to or from was awful.

Same as Wellington, even if it was covered, you still have the orrid walk across he concourse in the pouring rain / gale force southerly.

Yeah, I sat in that stadium when Ireland was here and I followed the AB's around on that tour, and I was FREEZING. A lot of people were critical of the AB's by only winning that game by 3 points, but to be honest I was pretty impressed they won at all. The Irish said they felt like it was middle of summer LOL ;).

I felt so sorry for the backs that night, the ball barely got to them and then when it did, their hands were so cold they couldn't catch it.

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Reply # 1834900 1-Aug-2017 13:17

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Outstanding defense by the Crusaders and some inaccurate attack by the Chiefs. Damien McKenzie was outstanding tonight, he really is a bit of a freak. The Chiefs seemed to get everything they went for in the air. Matt Todd was again incredible.

The try from the RM second tackle to ID was something that the Chiefs usually get in their games, in their favour. It was nice to see some of the luck of the bounce go the Crusaders way..

Funny how you don't complain about the ref going back on his try call just as DM was about to take his conversion kick. Because if he nailed that it MIGHT have been a very different story. And a very whingy Crusader here.

The ref didn't go back on his call, he didn't even ask the TMO to check it. The TMO interjected on his own. The disallowed try was a turning point in the game but the Crusaders converted their chances while the Chiefs squandered theirs. Great defence by the Crusaders. I'm kind of glad they won by more than 7 because I hate when a contentious Ref's decision decides a match. That, and with this morning's result, if the Chiefs had been forced back on an aeroplane to the Republic, they would have probably got beaten by a record score.

Which brings me to this morning's game. Barrett's yellow card was a crock. It was neither a professional foul or foul play. There was no repeated infringements and no warning had been issued. The Lions player placed the ball on Barrett's leg while he was trying to extricate himself from the ruck. A penalty at most, it materially affected the game with the Hurricanes down to 14 as the oxygen debt at altitude started to kick in. Instead of trying to hang in for the last 20 they were forced to chase the game.
I had great faith in Peyper as a ref prior to this game, but now, not so much. Hopefully Angus Gardner will be officiating the final.

Go Marius Jonker! FTW!

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Reply # 1834904 1-Aug-2017 13:20

See they appointed another 3 SA referees this weekend basically coming out and saying it's merit based. Considering some of the furore over the decsions made last weekend, seems they would have been better to take away any question of bias, for a FINAL, by appointing a third party choice.

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