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#2075594 19-Aug-2018 06:41

I really enjoyed the game. The two most important things to me were defense and discipline. We won the penalty count and our defense in the first half was absolutely brutal.

I thought the impact of Retalick showed how much we missed him late last year and against France. He and Whitelock realy are the best locking combination we have had since i started watching rugby in the 80s.

We did have some pretty average timing in the first 30 minutes, which contributed to Crottys concussion. The drops weren't great but they did muscle up in defense. Read Cane and Squire were just relentless in their physicality and Pocock was almost a non-entitity for the whole game. He didnt get much of a chance to disrupt our ball at all.

Goodhue was good but man of the match? Thus was a game won by the pack and physically exerting their will in the second 20 minutes. We earnt the right to go wide by hurting the Australians itighter in and then the space came.

I did think Naholo had his most complete performance as an All Black. He went looking for work and was excellent in defence. He didn't get gun shy after he gave away the penalty and was instrumental in the two tries before and after half time.

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#2075604 19-Aug-2018 09:06

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

BUT, who the hell trains these guys? Tiring early in the second half, literally minutes, just opens up gaps like the Red Sea parting. And this is too common to make excuses. If they cant play for 80 minutes, they lose. To any side. The run under their belt wont help all, they will go 15 minutes longer then tire, same with AB's. On that, its almost a non watch for me next week. AUS is supposed to be a top tier nation, tiring is poor, and if they played 80 minutes, improved line out and scrum, a real threat. Brains? They are attacking, get a free kick, kick to touch where their line out almost always fails??? On that occasion they got the ball IIRC, but even so. They seem to play to a script and not the game at hand.

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#2075723 19-Aug-2018 13:01

Handle9: I really enjoyed the game.

I really, really enjoyed the game.

I enjoyed your post too.

Handle9: Goodhue was good but man of the match?

There were so many players who would have had at least as much influence on the game. Outside of the excellent forwards I would have given Ben Smith more kudos because his initiative ignited a change in the All Black attack.

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#2075725 19-Aug-2018 13:04

tdgeek:

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

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#2075731 19-Aug-2018 13:41

Hammerer:

There were so many players who would have had at least as much influence on the game. Outside of the excellent forwards I would have given Ben Smith more kudos because his initiative ignited a change in the All Black attack.

Goodhue made the most tackles and missed not a single one according to the stats. For only his second game in the Black Jersey.

What Ben Smith did was good, but I think you are not taking into full account, how good the Australian defense was for the first half and how bad it was in the second. They fell off 40 tackles, most in the second half. *That* in my opinion, is what sparked the AB's attack.

The AB's had tried attacking all of the first half, and hadn't been able to penetrate. If Australia had been fit enough to defend that way for 80 minutes, the scoreline would have been MUCH closer.

There were a lot of good players, who played well and I agree, it was an excellent forwards effort.

I thought, on the whole, the referring was good. The decision that the Folau tackle wasn't a yellow card, was an excellent example. Folau propelled himself forward, which made him tip over more than the tackle itself. In slow motion you can't see it, in real time you can.

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#2075813 19-Aug-2018 15:08

I meant to mention it earlier. Massive props to David Pocock who left general play to ensure that Crotty was OK.

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#2075818 19-Aug-2018 15:19

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Goodhue made the most tackles and missed not a single one according to the stats. For only his second game in the Black Jersey.

He was impressive all round. While I don't think he should have been man of the match. But being that impressive for "only his second game in the Black Jersey" may well have been the rationale.

P.S. It would be ironic if Goodhue cements his position at the same time as Crotty is forced to bow out.

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#2075841 19-Aug-2018 16:01

Hammerer:

networkn:

Goodhue made the most tackles and missed not a single one according to the stats. For only his second game in the Black Jersey.

He was impressive all round. While I don't think he should have been man of the match. But being that impressive for "only his second game in the Black Jersey" may well have been the rationale.

P.S. It would be ironic if Goodhue cements his position at the same time as Crotty is forced to bow out.

I wouldn't say that's ironic, I'd say that's exceptionally fortuitous.

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#2075848 19-Aug-2018 16:16

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P.S. It would be ironic if Goodhue cements his position at the same time as Crotty is forced to bow out.

I wouldn't say that's ironic, I'd say that's exceptionally fortuitous.

In the context of my post, it is ironic in the sense that the Crusader pairing of Crotty and Goodhue might have become the All Black pair and then we'd never stop hearing about how wonderful they are.

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#2075869 19-Aug-2018 17:20

Really? This crap again?!

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#2075878 19-Aug-2018 18:06

It was awesome to see Beauden put on a demonstration to shush his doubters. Watching him kick that Rugby Ball 3 times and then to score was something to behold. He also showed some good judgement in defense as well..

Very nice to see indeed.

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#2075964 20-Aug-2018 07:03

Hammerer:

tdgeek:

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

Maybe you know more than the expert commentators who honed onto that in the replay, to them it was clear cut.

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#2075979 20-Aug-2018 07:46

tdgeek:

Hammerer:

tdgeek:

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

Maybe you know more than the expert commentators who honed onto that in the replay, to them it was clear cut.

Only Grant Nisbett of the four NZ commentators noticed it on his about five or six minutes after it happened. Even the linesman/assistant referee who was right in front of it missed it.

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#2075980 20-Aug-2018 08:01

clevedon:

tdgeek:

Hammerer:

tdgeek:

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

Maybe you know more than the expert commentators who honed onto that in the replay, to them it was clear cut.

Only Grant Nisbett of the four NZ commentators noticed it on his about five or six minutes after it happened. Even the linesman/assistant referee who was right in front of it missed it.

Marshall agreed, it was clear cut. Refs missed it, correct

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#2075981 20-Aug-2018 08:15

tdgeek:

clevedon:

tdgeek:

Hammerer:

tdgeek:

The first half was gripping. Both sides defended really well, both sides looked likely to score when they had the ball, was very impressed with AUS innovative ball handling, looked really dangerous. hard to know if that was high risk footy or what they can do. They didnt have the run of the green as Waholo should have got penalised for not releasing on the play that he got the first try. Folau was given a forward pass that came off his lower leg. Given that they lost half a dozen lineouts and scrums, 6-5 scoreline at half time was flattering to the AB's.

Could have rather than should have.

I didn't notice any of the other players releasing until the referee told them to and I haven't noticed penalties for this unless they have been first told to release. The tackler pulling the player upwards is not looking down to see where the player's knees are.

Maybe you know more than the expert commentators who honed onto that in the replay, to them it was clear cut.

Only Grant Nisbett of the four NZ commentators noticed it on his about five or six minutes after it happened. Even the linesman/assistant referee who was right in front of it missed it.

Marshall agreed, it was clear cut. Refs missed it, correct

Yeah, Marshall agreed - only after Nisbett pointed it out later, everyone else had missed it initially.

Disallowing the try wouldn't of changed the outcome of the game anyway, lots of things get missed. For example, I saw at least three restarts from halfway from the Aussies where their player out on the wing/sideline was well in front of the kickoff.

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