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  #2091629 16-Sep-2018 18:48
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networkn:

 

Batman:

 

I watched it thinking it was an epic match.

 

But it wasn't.

 

To be honest, SA was just playing like SA have been playing all year.

 

The ABs however, was playing like everybody had a headache or something.

 

Ie just a glitch in the matrix.

 

Expect normal service to resume!

 

 

That's a pretty fair assessment.

 

Not saying RSA didn't win, or didn't last night, but hard to see them pulling it off twice.

 

For my money, defense in the AB's has suffered greatly as a result of Scott McLeod's tenure as defence coach. I've not seen the AB's leak 30+ points very often. 

 

 

I call it as I see it!





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  #2091630 16-Sep-2018 18:48
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I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.


 
 
 
 


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  #2091633 16-Sep-2018 18:52
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tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.

 

 

Just in case you start quoting me in 2019, I will care when it is the RWC! As you said, I won't read too much into predictions.

 

*For me the match of the last RWC was England-Wales. Everything else after that did not compare!





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  #2091638 16-Sep-2018 18:55
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tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.

 

 

Well, the RC has only begun, so let's see what happens when they add up all the points at the end!





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  #2091641 16-Sep-2018 19:00
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Why didn't we go for a drop goal..?

 

 

Just watched it lol and you are 100% correct. Anyone with half a brain would have done that! But maybe the ABs really backed their line breaks and therefore didn't consider that much easier option in retrospect.

 

You would think they will work on that for the RWC.





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  #2091642 16-Sep-2018 19:01
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tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.

 

 

What? I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 

 

 


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  #2091647 16-Sep-2018 19:10
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networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.

 

 

What? I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 

 

 

 

 

RSA improved. They cant improve their fitness that quick, they cant improve lineouts and so on that quick, particularly with their recent record. They improved theor strategy. AB;s did not or could not adapt.

 

AB's have dominated, every match is a no contest. Then RSA scores 36 points, how can that happen out of the blue? Did they improve that much to beat unbeatable AB's, this is remember, the best team ever produced.    


 
 
 
 


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  #2091649 16-Sep-2018 19:14
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Batman:

 

sonyxperiageek:

 

Why didn't we go for a drop goal..?

 

 

Just watched it lol and you are 100% correct. Anyone with half a brain would have done that! But maybe the ABs really backed their line breaks and therefore didn't consider that much easier option in retrospect.

 

You would think they will work on that for the RWC.

 

 

They took the chance, they backed themselves, thats what the AB's do. That it didn't work doesnt matter, unless the ONLY issue is the win. In any case, RSA won they totally outscored what their recent record would have shown. Is that due to how great RSA are or not? Thats very debatable. Should RSA be hammered next game by the AB's, you then have to question the AB's. 


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  #2091650 16-Sep-2018 19:14
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networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

I actually don't *care about rugby, I just thought SA had improved. But they are still the same. But we shall find out soon!

 

*First rugby match I had watched all year!

 

 

A 15 person team can't really improve a lot. They can change strategy. The other team needs rot see that an adapt. If it was an 800m race, or a horse race, that can improve. But a 15 man team cannot really improve, they can only change the game style.

 

 

What? I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 

 

 

 

 

Explain why




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  #2091652 16-Sep-2018 19:19
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Yes a team CAN improve it's lineout in one week, and fitness wasn't the issue with the Boks last week or the week before. They lack consistency, usually on defense. Last night the AB's struggled to score points the way they normally would. SA made 230+ tackles, Stefan de Toit made 28 on his own. It meant everything to hold the AB's out.  Their communication, and cohesion were superior to the week before. For the record, the AB's made 45 tackles all night across the whole team if the stats reported are accurate.

 

The AB's did not execute. They were not focussed and failed to take the match as seriously as they should have. If you check back to the start of the last 6 months, I said SA were a different team from last year. Their SR teams were fitter, more focused and the Lions were a genuine title contender, unlike the year before when they were in the final because they never played a NZ team.

 

Having said that, I wouldn't want to be the team that the AB's play next, nor the one after.


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I think some of the comments here are a bit silly. The defense wasn't at it's best but there were 14 points from intercept tries. Given that we averaged ~20 points a game conceded last year in the Rugby Championship saying Scot McLeod is responsible for poor defense doesn't make any sense. 

 

When we kick for the corner and score tries instead of kicking penalties then it's great captaincy. The approach works for us far more often than not. This is exactly the same type of criticism that the All Blacks took prior to the last world cup and when it mattered we kicked drop goals. 

 

In relatively meaningless games like this one (we're going to beat Argentina and win the Rugby Championship in 2 weeks) it is the time to take chances and try things. If we don't build depth now and get the likes of Jordie Barrett meaningful game time then we put ourselves at massive risk of an injury to Smith. He's learnt a lesson and I thought outside the intercept had a decent game.

 

The things that were disappointing to me were the halfback service (both Smith and Perenara were poor). If Beudan Barrett hadn't made a great pickup Jordie Barretts bust and Scott Barrett got found out a bit, especially at kick offs. The goalkicking was also crap, with Barretts annual stinker. 

 

South Africa were incredibly brave and played with a huge amount of heart. I don't think they can do that week in week out but they really did play very well.


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  #2091665 16-Sep-2018 19:50
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Yes a team CAN improve it's lineout in one week, and fitness wasn't the issue with the Boks last week or the week before. They lack consistency, usually on defense. Last night the AB's struggled to score points the way they normally would. SA made 230+ tackles, Stefan de Toit made 28 on his own. It meant everything to hold the AB's out.  Their communication, and cohesion were superior to the week before. For the record, the AB's made 45 tackles all night across the whole team if the stats reported are accurate.

 

The AB's did not execute. They were not focussed and failed to take the match as seriously as they should have. If you check back to the start of the last 6 months, I said SA were a different team from last year. Their SR teams were fitter, more focused and the Lions were a genuine title contender, unlike the year before when they were in the final because they never played a NZ team.

 

Having said that, I wouldn't want to be the team that the AB's play next, nor the one after.

 

 

How can a team drop timeouts one week and nail them all the next? How can they be inconsistent then be consistent? Makes no sense. They are professional players, they spend all of their time in practice, strategy training , fitness training. Same with the AB's and the vast majority of professional sport. Any team/player can have an off week, but for RSA to be woeful like the other top tier teams then beat the AB's, its not line out practice, its strategy. RSA adopted a strategy, It worked. 

 

Why did the AB;s not execute? What irks me is the AB's lost line. RSA actually won. Thats what the score shows. Same applies of AB's got a late penalty and won, then the call is a great match, AB's won as usual, but they lost so its a post mortem. But nothing has changed. The end result is the top by far team was beaten by a team playing well below past years, thats why the results from non AB matches are even, anyone can win as no one is much good. Is Ireland and Puma's amazing? Maybe, or maybe the RSA/AUS etc playing poor, so have come back to them. 

 

As I posted before this match, an unbeaten horse, you dont know how good they are until they are beaten. To all intents and purposes, AB's are unbeaten in recent times. Maybe they are awesome. Maybe they are just pretty darn good and everyone else is rubbish. 

 

How any professional team can be a less than zero chance if they play like the last game, then win against the AB's, is beyond me. The only rational reason is the gap is less than most want to believe. You can only compare against the competition, and winning against teams playing poor is no guide.  


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  #2091667 16-Sep-2018 19:57
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I think some of the comments here are a bit silly. The defense wasn't at it's best but there were 14 points from intercept tries. Given that we averaged ~20 points a game conceded last year in the Rugby Championship saying Scot McLeod is responsible for poor defense doesn't make any sense. 

 

When we kick for the corner and score tries instead of kicking penalties then it's great captaincy. The approach works for us far more often than not. This is exactly the same type of criticism that the All Blacks took prior to the last world cup and when it mattered we kicked drop goals. 

 

In relatively meaningless games like this one (we're going to beat Argentina and win the Rugby Championship in 2 weeks) it is the time to take chances and try things. If we don't build depth now and get the likes of Jordie Barrett meaningful game time then we put ourselves at massive risk of an injury to Smith. He's learnt a lesson and I thought outside the intercept had a decent game.

 

The things that were disappointing to me were the halfback service (both Smith and Perenara were poor). If Beudan Barrett hadn't made a great pickup Jordie Barretts bust and Scott Barrett got found out a bit, especially at kick offs. The goalkicking was also crap, with Barretts annual stinker. 

 

South Africa were incredibly brave and played with a huge amount of heart. I don't think they can do that week in week out but they really did play very well.

 

 

I agree. 

 

I'd like to know why were these errors there in abundance?

 

I dont know, but could be:

 

1. Scoreboard pressure. Its easy to play when the score is fine

 

2. RSA made it hard to play the AB game, thats bad. If the other side is making things hard, adapt. Both sides are there on equal fitting, no one owns the paddock.

 

3. Too used to winning, not used to a different game style. All adversary sports have a game style on each side, you cannot play one dimensional just cos it usually works. For the top team/player, it does usually work, but the opponents are always looking to shut that down, thats sport. 




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  #2091670 16-Sep-2018 20:05
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I disagree. Teams can have an off night and other teams can have a blinder. This in my opinion, was what happened last night. As good as SA were, they were 2 points from a loss. The margins were much smaller than most people would have given them (SA) credit for. Most were expecting SA to lose by 20, they would have only lost by 2-3 maybe if just one of a dozen things had gone the way of the AB's. Doesn't change the result, SA can be very proud of that acheivement. I wouldn't back them to overtake the AB's any time soon. If they can be competitive, that's an achievement.

 

If we had won, I would have felt the Boks were hard done by, and lamented the tiny margin that the AB's won by.

 

Teams can focus and practice in areas that have in a prior game(s) been a weakness. Scrums and Lineouts (set peice) and fix the issues. Lineouts is usually either throwing, or timing, it's not that difficult to fix, but it requires attention to be paid to it. A week can make a world of difference in ONE area. You can't fix fitness in a week, hence the Wallabies got 2 hidings from the AB's consecutive weeks. However, their scrum AND lineout were significantly better than the week before.

 

@handle9 what was our average points conceded in the 2 Years prior to Wayne Smith departing, what's the average now?  I can't recall which year it was, but recently I recall there were articles around who were the most miserly in defense, and the AB's were head and shoulders better than anyone else. 

 

 

 

 




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  #2091671 16-Sep-2018 20:06
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South Africa were incredibly brave and played with a huge amount of heart. I don't think they can do that week in week out but they really did play very well.

 

 

This I agree with.


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