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#2367757 3-Dec-2019 18:07

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@Handle9 why would their Tohu bring you endless amusement? It represent the shape of their region from the Alps to the sea.

It may represent that, but it is also decidedly phallic.

It doesn't look remotely phallic. Someone has to add a phallus to the logo to make it look phallic.

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#2367760 3-Dec-2019 18:27

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@Handle9 why would their Tohu bring you endless amusement? It represent the shape of their region from the Alps to the sea.

It may represent that, but it is also decidedly phallic.

It doesn't look remotely phallic. Someone has to add a phallus to the logo to make it look phallic.

That is your opinion. Others very clearly see something different.
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#2367774 3-Dec-2019 19:16

I feel sorry for the folks that think it is Phallic symbol the clearly have horrible disfigurements to make that comparison.
I certainly don't see it and it is culturally insensitive to make the claim that it is a phallus.

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#2367775 3-Dec-2019 19:26

So mocking a heavily stylised corporate logo of a club named after religious warriors is culturally insensitive? This is ironic on many levels.

Just because you use ethnic iconography to sell stuff doesn't make you imune from being laughed at.

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#2367776 3-Dec-2019 19:29

As a not very educated of Maori Pakeha, it seems to me as a Maori symbol that Im not aware of.

We dropped the logo, that's ok

We engaged a Maori based logo, thats fine

We kept Crusaders, thats key.

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#2367779 3-Dec-2019 19:38

Handle9: So mocking a heavily stylised corporate logo of a club named after religious warriors is culturally insensitive? This is ironic on many levels.

Just because you use ethnic iconography to sell stuff doesn't make you mine from being laughed at.

1. It was not an issue till early this year

2. Crusade is also a verb

3. If we named every team, avoiding any reference to anything non peace, we would be naming every team Tony or Peter

From another post on that topic, that war also involved Christians or Baptists fighting? IIRC they also drew blood. War has happened forever, no one these days promotes war. We could probably ban all words that refer to any level of non peace, but we dont.

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#2367783 3-Dec-2019 19:50

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Handle9: So mocking a heavily stylised corporate logo of a club named after religious warriors is culturally insensitive? This is ironic on many levels.

Just because you use ethnic iconography to sell stuff doesn't make you mine from being laughed at.

1. It was not an issue till early this year

2. Crusade is also a verb

3. If we named every team, avoiding any reference to anything non peace, we would be naming every team Tony or Peter

From another post on that topic, that war also involved Christians or Baptists fighting? IIRC they also drew blood. War has happened forever, no one these days promotes war. We could probably ban all words that refer to any level of non peace, but we dont.

1. It was always pretty weird but it became somewhat more serious this year. People being murdered tends to do that.

2. Correct. So what? The club's name is crusaders and they used imagery of religious warriors.

The in chose not to change its name for commercial reasons and if you read any of the statements from the crusaders about the logo it's all about their brand, nothing else.

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#2367787 3-Dec-2019 19:58

Handle9:
tdgeek:

Handle9: So mocking a heavily stylised corporate logo of a club named after religious warriors is culturally insensitive? This is ironic on many levels.

Just because you use ethnic iconography to sell stuff doesn't make you mine from being laughed at.

1. It was not an issue till early this year

2. Crusade is also a verb

3. If we named every team, avoiding any reference to anything non peace, we would be naming every team Tony or Peter

From another post on that topic, that war also involved Christians or Baptists fighting? IIRC they also drew blood. War has happened forever, no one these days promotes war. We could probably ban all words that refer to any level of non peace, but we dont.

1. It was always pretty weird but it became somewhat more serious this year. People being murdered tends to do that.

2. Correct. So what? The club's name is crusaders and they used imagery of religious warriors.

The in chose not to change its name for commercial reasons and if you read any of the statements from the crusaders about the logo it's all about their brand, nothing else.

The team was created about 1996? Thats over two decades ago. I would have thought that if it was an issue, even small, it would ave been raised every couple of years. Teams are in a duel, a fight, a battle. Its not uncommon for teams to have names that represent that. It all seems a bit PC to me, to be honest.

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#2368529 5-Dec-2019 05:15

There was an interesting article from Liam Napier in the herald yesterday. He made the point that NZ Rugby's process around the next all blacks coach has screwed at least one super team and possibly up to three due to Robertson, Plumtree, Jason Holland, Jason Ryan and Leon MacDonald being involved.

It is increasingly obvious how poorly planned this process was. Either they don't get the candidates they wanted or they once again wreck Super Rugby teams preparation in the interests of the all blacks.

One of Hansen's failings was the breakdown of his relationship with many of the Super Rugby coaches as his powerbase grew. Hopefully the next coach doesn't end up going the same.way.

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#2368752 5-Dec-2019 13:23

Handle9: There was an interesting article from Liam Napier in the herald yesterday. He made the point that NZ Rugby's process around the next all blacks coach has screwed at least one super team and possibly up to three due to Robertson, Plumtree, Jason Holland, Jason Ryan and Leon MacDonald being involved.

It is increasingly obvious how poorly planned this process was. Either they don't get the candidates they wanted or they once again wreck Super Rugby teams preparation in the interests of the all blacks.

One of Hansen's failings was the breakdown of his relationship with many of the Super Rugby coaches as his powerbase grew. Hopefully the next coach doesn't end up going the same.way.

You are pretty critical of NZR and this whole process. Who would you appoint as Head Coach? How would you have handled it any differently? The only way not to cause issues with SR is to exclude those coaches from applying, which would be both unfair for different reasons and kinda dumb in my opinion. The AB's have been dominant for a long long time. This is due to the way the AB's coaches have been able to dictate terms on how the players are handled during what is a pretty massive season. The AB's and SR coaches have completely different agenda's, but it's clear the AB's are and in my opinion, should be, the #1 priority. Without this period of dominance, I feel we would be in worse financial state than RA is which would, in turn, cost us even more in world rankings. Rugby in NZ is already in trouble and that's WITH NZR having money to pay better money than ever before to players.

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#2368835 5-Dec-2019 16:02

I don't have a strong view about who I would appoint. I think of all the New Zealand coaches Gatland was the most qualified followed by Joseph. They were both ruled out by New Zealand rugby acting the way they have, as has Rennie. It's totally unrealistic to expect them to wait around when they wouldn't have jobs to go to.

They invite 26 applications and get 2. It's turned into a complete joke and the applicants are struggling to get assistant coaches who appear qualified. Compare this to Australia who knew who they wanted to appoint, targeted him and have signed him quickly.

If the process had been run in early 2019 they would have had far more potential applicants and a clean handover. They would have also given certainty to the Super Rugby franchises and let them plan their seasons.

Nobody goes to Super Rugby. Basically the message that New Zealand rugby sends is that it doesn't matter.

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#2372435 11-Dec-2019 13:38

Foster confirmed as new Head Coach. No assistants announced yet.

Like any selection, pro's and con's. It will be interesting to see how he copes and also how the public reconcile that we probably have the least experienced AB's side in a while (From players to coaches and all the support staff who are moving on), given the experience that departed at the two last world cups. We are also facing much more competitive opposition than we have for a while, so it will be interesting to see if they give Foster the time to "rebuild".

We have probably our most challenging period in a long time, coming up, and as Handle9 has alluded to, results may be fairly mixed in the next bit of time.

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#2372587 11-Dec-2019 16:25

networkn:

Foster confirmed as new Head Coach. No assistants announced yet.

Like any selection, pro's and con's. It will be interesting to see how he copes and also how the public reconcile that we probably have the least experienced AB's side in a while (From players to coaches and all the support staff who are moving on), given the experience that departed at the two last world cups. We are also facing much more competitive opposition than we have for a while, so it will be interesting to see if they give Foster the time to "rebuild".

We have probably our most challenging period in a long time, coming up, and as Handle9 has alluded to, results may be fairly mixed in the next bit of time.

they have only given him a 2 year contract which sounds like even the rugby board is still not convinced he is the right choice and if you read the comments on stuff, 90% of the comments think it's an awful choice.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2372592 11-Dec-2019 16:29

vexxxboy:

networkn:

Foster confirmed as new Head Coach. No assistants announced yet.

Like any selection, pro's and con's. It will be interesting to see how he copes and also how the public reconcile that we probably have the least experienced AB's side in a while (From players to coaches and all the support staff who are moving on), given the experience that departed at the two last world cups. We are also facing much more competitive opposition than we have for a while, so it will be interesting to see if they give Foster the time to "rebuild".

We have probably our most challenging period in a long time, coming up, and as Handle9 has alluded to, results may be fairly mixed in the next bit of time.

they have only given him a 2 year contract which sounds like even the rugby board is still not convinced he is the right choice and if you read the comments on stuff, 90% of the comments think it's an awful choice.

A 2 year contract is very normal when you are taking on a new coach. It doesn't mean much at all in my opinion.

I wouldn't really pay too much attention to stuff comments in general. I am happy to see him given a fair go to try and do something amazing. The benefit of the doubt etc. I think he has earned that.

I think to some degree he is being handed a poisoned chalice in some regards. The AB's results could end up not that flash for the next 2 years and it may not have as much to do with him as many other factors.

He is not inheriting as strong of a team as his predecessors did, and as someone else mentioned, it's not going to be as unpopular as reappointing Henry in 2007, and look how that turned out.

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#2372598 11-Dec-2019 16:34

networkn:

vexxxboy:

networkn:

Foster confirmed as new Head Coach. No assistants announced yet.

Like any selection, pro's and con's. It will be interesting to see how he copes and also how the public reconcile that we probably have the least experienced AB's side in a while (From players to coaches and all the support staff who are moving on), given the experience that departed at the two last world cups. We are also facing much more competitive opposition than we have for a while, so it will be interesting to see if they give Foster the time to "rebuild".

We have probably our most challenging period in a long time, coming up, and as Handle9 has alluded to, results may be fairly mixed in the next bit of time.

they have only given him a 2 year contract which sounds like even the rugby board is still not convinced he is the right choice and if you read the comments on stuff, 90% of the comments think it's an awful choice.

A 2 year contract is very normal when you are taking on a new coach. It doesn't mean much at all in my opinion.

I wouldn't really pay too much attention to stuff comments in general. I am happy to see him given a fair go to try and do something amazing. The benefit of the doubt etc. I think he has earned that.

I think to some degree he is being handed a poisoned chalice in some regards. The AB's results could end up not that flash for the next 2 years and it may not have as much to do with him as many other factors.

He is not inheriting as strong of a team as his predecessors did, and as someone else mentioned, it's not going to be as unpopular as reappointing Henry in 2007, and look how that turned out.

i am just saying if they really thought he was the man to win the next world cup then he would have a 4 year contract, Rennie got one from the Australian Rugby board .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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