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Handle9
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  #2568348 19-Sep-2020 21:30
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Probably another lock, a 5/8, a midfield back and an outside back

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  #2568368 19-Sep-2020 22:21
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PolicyGuy:

 

It's ten more players, right?

 

So, for sure they'll take specialists: a loosehead prop, a tighthead prop and a hooker (coach has already mentioned them); two loose forwards; and a halfback.
That's six. Who/where would be the other four?

 

Handle9: Probably another lock, a 5/8, a midfield back and an outside back

 

OK, who's who in the zoo? Names?

 

  • a loosehead prop
  • a hooker
  • a tighthead prop
  • a lock
  • two loose forwards - Bochier and ...?
  • a halfback - Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi?
  • a 5/8
  • a midfield back
  • an outside back

 

 

Or might it be

 

  • a loosehead prop
  • a hooker
  • a tighthead prop
  • three players covering lock and loosie - Bochier and ... and ...?
  • a halfback - Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi?
  • two players covering 5/8 and back three
  • a midfield back

Let the wild speculation begin! :D


 
 
 
 


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  #2568393 20-Sep-2020 06:08
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Boshier may or may not make it. He's the best in the country on the ground but I can see why he's left out.

He doesn't have the same sort of impact with the ball or on defense. He's not as explosive as the other loose forwards they've picked. If they were wanting a player who can jackal and jackal only then it'd make sense but if they want to try and dominate the gain line then he doesn't make as much sense. In many ways he's another Todd, a very smart player who isn't really athletic enough for what the selectors want.

He's also in a position of significant strength with Cane and Savea clearly ahead of him in different ways. Papapaili gives them a 6/7 hybrid who's a bit bigger as well.

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  #2573833 25-Sep-2020 04:46
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The Sanzaar situation just gets worse. NZR are pretty clearly being ignored by the rest of Sanzaar now.

It's unfortunate that the players are caught in this but I also struggle to have too much sympathy for them. It's clearly unfortunate that they won't have Christmas at home but they are still highly paid professional sports people. They are very fortunate to be well compensated for playing rugby and this sort of thing goes with the territory.

Players in other sports routinely have Christmas away from family so they will have a choice to make. Sacrifice some more money or be away for Christmas.

I wouldn't have an issue with anyone who chooses to come home - they need to do what is best for themselves. I'd also struggle to have significant sympathy for them being away. The exact circumstances are unfortunate but compared to what many people are going through they have it pretty good.

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  #2576237 30-Sep-2020 00:04
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These comments are unusually honest from Rugby Australia. It also gives some context to why Sanzar doesn't want to change the dates.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-nzr-relationship-at-its-lowest-ebb-mclennan-20200929-p560fe.html

 

 


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  #2576328 30-Sep-2020 09:18
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Memo to the ABs:

 

For just a moment, think about the police, nurses, ambulance workers, armed forces personnel, doctors, service station personnel, fire service staff etc ... many of these who will also be away from family on Xmas day, most for significantly less pay than you receive, and almost all of them spending their working Xmas day in a less desirable location than a 4-star hotel.

 

Seriously, get over it, I'm tired of this non-issue clogging the news day after day.


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  #2576339 30-Sep-2020 09:28
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dafman:

 

Memo to the ABs:

 

For just a moment, think about the police, nurses, ambulance workers, armed forces personnel, doctors, service station personnel, fire service staff etc ... many of these who will also be away from family on Xmas day, most for significantly less pay than you receive, and almost all of them spending their working Xmas day in a less desirable location than a 4-star hotel.

 

Seriously, get over it, I'm tired of this non-issue clogging the news day after day.

 

 

Well, it was not what was agreed. If that police, nurses, ambulance workers etc were all told they could be with their families on Xmas day and then were told they couldn't, then you could imagine they would have right to be upset.

 

It just needs to be worked through. If it gets clicks, it will be reported. Surely, you know this by now. There are equal number of stupid articles on any other number of topics published each day.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2576408 30-Sep-2020 11:27
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networkn:

dafman:


Memo to the ABs:


For just a moment, think about the police, nurses, ambulance workers, armed forces personnel, doctors, service station personnel, fire service staff etc ... many of these who will also be away from family on Xmas day, most for significantly less pay than you receive, and almost all of them spending their working Xmas day in a less desirable location than a 4-star hotel.


Seriously, get over it, I'm tired of this non-issue clogging the news day after day.



Well, it was not what was agreed. If that police, nurses, ambulance workers etc were all told they could be with their families on Xmas day and then were told they couldn't, then you could imagine they would have right to be upset.


It just needs to be worked through. If it gets clicks, it will be reported. Surely, you know this by now. There are equal number of stupid articles on any other number of topics published each day.


 


 



I didn't think anything was agreed, that's how we've end up here. NZ rugby were over confident and arrogant assuming we would host all the games.

If the reports are to be believed NZ rugby wanted the same game dates but didn't care that other countries may be forced into isolation over Xmas depending on their own countries quarantine rules.

Until the hosting country was sorted there was no agreement anybody would be home for Xmas.

You want your money, you play. You don't want your money, you stay home.

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  #2576417 30-Sep-2020 11:39
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NZR feels pretty confident there was at least a verbal agreement, why otherwise act surprised and upset if they knew all along they had agreed to not be home for Xmas?

 

There is a lot more to this than is being reported and it's ridiculous to think NZR is always to blame for everything. There is plenty of Arrogance and foolishness to go around.

 

IF we hadn't gone back into L3/L2 lockdown, I believe it would have almost certainly would have been that the RC would have been hosted here. If we refused to move the schedule as has been indicated, then NZR were stupid, but I'd want proof before assuming anything said by anyone is actually true at this point. Different people within ARU are saying different things.

 

I don't think it's 1 option. It's just as valid to ask for the schedule to accommodate families being home for Xmas, as just as much of a valid choice as making them be away. I am sure if you asked the AB's players if they wanted to shorten the schedule or miss xmas with their families, it would have been in favour of more games in a shorter time frame.


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  #2576434 30-Sep-2020 12:28
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Before the last/current lockdown it was always planned by NZ Rugby that the other teams would be home and out of quarantine before xmas day.

 

If NZ had kept the Rugby Championship then the SA and Arg teams would have been here in two weeks time (cant remember the exact date they were supposed to arrive), training and ready to get into the Rugby Championship not long after the 2nd Bledisloe Cup game. By shifting the whole comp to Aus it has pushed the dates out roughly 3 weeks from what was originally agreed.

 

So yes, I think the AB's do have a valid complaint about this change.


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  #2576435 30-Sep-2020 12:28
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networkn:

NZR feels pretty confident there was at least a verbal agreement, why otherwise act surprised and upset if they knew all along they had agreed to not be home for Xmas?


There is a lot more to this than is being reported and it's ridiculous to think NZR is always to blame for everything. There is plenty of Arrogance and foolishness to go around.


IF we hadn't gone back into L3/L2 lockdown, I believe it would have almost certainly would have been that the RC would have been hosted here. If we refused to move the schedule as has been indicated, then NZR were stupid, but I'd want proof before assuming anything said by anyone is actually true at this point. Different people within ARU are saying different things.


I don't think it's 1 option. It's just as valid to ask for the schedule to accommodate families being home for Xmas, as just as much of a valid choice as making them be away. I am sure if you asked the AB's players if they wanted to shorten the schedule or miss xmas with their families, it would have been in favour of more games in a shorter time frame.



I understand the broadcast deal was done with the games on each weekend which complicates trying to shorten the tournament and would likely result in a major financial hit.

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  #2576506 30-Sep-2020 13:24
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dafman:

Memo to the ABs:


For just a moment, think about the police, nurses, ambulance workers, armed forces personnel, doctors, service station personnel, fire service staff etc ... many of these who will also be away from family on Xmas day, most for significantly less pay than you receive, and almost all of them spending their working Xmas day in a less desirable location than a 4-star hotel.


Seriously, get over it, I'm tired of this non-issue clogging the news day after day.



Do all those people work 24 hours on Christmas day and not spend anytime at home? Apart from some soldiers most will get to spend at least 12 hours of that day at home so not a great comparison.

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  #2576511 30-Sep-2020 13:32
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If they do get stuck in quarantine then see who of the 46 are willing to do it and send the most needed to be here home.

Probably not allowed to do but could see if allow some family in NZ to go to Australia and spend Christmas there before come home

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  #2576543 30-Sep-2020 14:54
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I reckon they should just have a Baby Black's game for the last one and give all the young fullas a run and send the family men home early. It's not like they haven't devalued the jersey in the past with rotation, rest and sabbaticals.

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  #2576547 30-Sep-2020 15:00
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tukapa1:

 

I understand the broadcast deal was done with the games on each weekend which complicates trying to shorten the tournament and would likely result in a major financial hit.

 

 

 

I can't see for the life of me how the tournament being shortened would have any impact on a financials, It's not like anyone who would have watched the last game wouldn't watch it because it's on a few days earlier. I guess stadium MIGHT be less full, but they are only going to be partially full anyways.

 

Perhaps we can wrap it up in the first two tests here and then the last 2 are dead rubbers, and send everyone home and walk away from the last test or play it with players happy to stay or who may not be as worried by xmas with family? That would hurt a lot more financially.

 

Rennie, NZR, and the AB's incl coach all are saying they are surprised by the draw.

 

I think a bit of commonsense and a lot less ego in quarters needs to be applied, and I expect it probably will.

 

 


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