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#2960748 29-Aug-2022 11:59

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no one talking about Nic White's decision to milk a yellow card at the risk of conceding a 7 pointer ...

Not so much this side of the ditch, maybe, but Nic White is taking a huge amount of stick in Oz, e.g.:

Someone give this man an Oscar.

Australian halfback Nic White has been accused of milking “one of the softest yellow cards of the year” during Saturday afternoon’s 25-17 victory over South Africa at Adelaide Oval.
The Wallabies were leading by seven points in the 39th minute when Springboks halfback Faf de Klerk swiped at White’s face while attempting to disrupt the feed from the base of the scrum.
The 32-year-old collapsed to the ground after the seemingly innocuous brush, prompting referee Paul Williams to award de Klerk a yellow card for striking.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/disgrace-wallabies-halfback-nic-white-brutally-mocked-for-milking-yellow-card/news-story/60f89960d6fcc22ec29bfd330fcecf01

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#2960750 29-Aug-2022 12:01

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No one is saying Taukei'aho had to play the full 80, but subbing him after 44 mins? There's a big diff between 44 and 80. With a calculator, I could probably work out what that is in minutes.

The other piece of that is the selection aspect. Taylor shouldn't be in the 23 at the moment. I disagree with you on this and think bringing in a new (near untested) hooker is exactly what we need to do. Not as starting No. 2, but on the bench. It worked a charm for the props. Aumua is probably considered the next cab of the rank. However, I think Brodie McAlister is the way forward. It's similar to how they went to Crusaders reserve prop Newell.

I can't recall if I've seen Taylor have a game that bad. He hasn't been to his highest standards since the earlyish rounds of Super Rugby, but I don't think anyone could/would have expected Taylor to make many of the mistakes he made and not so many of them.

I agree 44 minutes was early, I can't really guess the reasoning behind that, perhaps Taukei'aho mentioned in the sheds he was feeling low on gas, or had a slight niggle, who knows? Could have been a tactical blunder, but it seems an odd choice without more information.

We are lacking on-field leadership at the moment in my view, removing very experienced players from the squad probably isn't the solution to that. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If he drops Taylor, and brings an inexperienced Hooker in, and we still lose (let's be honest, the loss of the match wasn't down to *entirely* Taylor, we managed 3 points in 40 minutes of Rugby), then Foster is in the gun for not playing a better balance of experience and youth. We definitely do need a better solution in a third hooker though, I agree with that.

Our attack seems muted to be kind, but at the end of the day, no-one can fix everything at once. Otherwise, you overload the players and they play badly.

We have quite a few things that aren't going well right now, but you need the basics to be firing first, and I think our forwards look considerably better than 3 matches ago.

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#2960763 29-Aug-2022 13:12

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I agree 44 minutes was early, I can't really guess the reasoning behind that, perhaps Taukei'aho mentioned in the sheds he was feeling low on gas, or had a slight niggle, who knows? Could have been a tactical blunder, but it seems an odd choice without more information.

Foster stated that it was his choice and he made it because both starting props had niggles and he thought replacing the whole front row worked well against SA. So the two props were coming off due to injury but in hindsight taking off the best forward (Taukei'aho) as well (not injured) was not the right call.

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#2960764 29-Aug-2022 13:22

JPNZ:

Foster stated that it was his choice and he made it because both starting props had niggles and he thought replacing the whole front row worked well against SA. So the two props were coming off due to injury but in hindsight taking off the best forward (Taukei'aho) as well (not injured) was not the right call.

I wasn't aware of that (obviously). He got it wrong in that case, though I still maintain you couldn't really have predicted Taylor would have been that erratic, even on current reduced form.

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#2960767 29-Aug-2022 13:32

JPNZ:

Foster stated that it was his choice and he made it because both starting props had niggles and he thought replacing the whole front row worked well against SA. So the two props were coming off due to injury but in hindsight taking off the best forward (Taukei'aho) as well (not injured) was not the right call.

Yeah, Jason Ryan said as much on The Breakdown. To be fair I'm not just using hindsight, I was yelling at the TV at the time about him coming off. In the same way a lot of the criticism of the Boks not starting Marx at Ellis Park wasn't hindsight. A lot of people, myself included, were saying that was crazy before that game even kicked off.

If it was me, I'd take the opportunity of these home tests to try McAlister (off the bench), rather than having something like that forced on us in the World Cup. With Whitelock, Cane, Rettalick, Savea, Barrett all in the pack, I don't think the balance of the forwards would be tipped too far to the unexperienced side.

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#2960771 29-Aug-2022 13:52

networkn:

There is just no objectivity in the majority of NZ Fans.

It seems in some ways to be the worst of the recent losses, and it hurts, but we led for 60 minutes and the areas of our game that haven't been great before, are coming along really well. Our lineout was functioning better than it had been, our scrum was totally dominant and we scored 2 tries to their one.

Our breakdown work still varies but is getting better certainly. Our tackling is becoming more dominant, and we are making the gain line significantly more. All up until around the 60-minute mark when the wheels seriously came off. Codie Taylor had a shocker of an evening. He and Coles have consistently underperformed this season.

What went wrong on Saturday night, was letting the pressure get to us, our discipline was abysmal (some penalties we gave away were brain-dead nonsense). We have not yet found the self-confidence to perform at the highest levels under pressure.

An alarming number of our players are not performing at the international level. We have a serious mental strength problem in my view. Enoka Gilbert was transformational for the AB's when he came in, but as much as I have been a big fan of his, I think it's time for someone new there.

Argentinas defense was a masterclass. Seriously seriously impressive. I think it's unfair to heap disgust on the AB's without giving an equal amount of praise to Argentina.

I really expected us to win this, and comfortably, I am really disappointed, but anyone who thought Ellis Park was going to mean the end of our inconsistent performances was seriously kidding themselves.

Ant Straughan made some interesting comments about the fact he doesn't believe that the coaches were responsible for the loss on Saturday night. No way is any coach telling the players to play like that. Discipline on field is a player problem, especially the nature of the infringements we made. You could see clearly how frustrated Foster was many times during the match. This is a guy who is telling his players one thing and seeing them not follow the script.

Sorry mate, but this just reads like a piece from a lower table Premier League club, or Italy looking to rebuild. This is the All Blacks, the most dominant sporting team in history, they've never settled for mediocrity before. Why then is it acceptable now? I can absolutely promise you that Roberston would have a far superior record with this group of players than Foster has, least we forget Foster has never had a good record despite having a pretty talented group of players at NPC and Super level. Dude was out of his depth from the get go, he should never have got the job and persisting with him will only make the next blokes job that much harder. They should have cut him after the South Africa match, win or lose that match shouldn't have decided his future. The horrendous record of the last two years should have done that, with the irish result being the nail in the coffin. He actually should have been sacked immediately following that result.

Edit: My punctuation in here is horrible, but I cannot be bothered correcting it

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#2960798 29-Aug-2022 15:55

The Black Ferns performance was very different in the weekend. They definitely were trying some new things and trying to up the pace, but the skills didn't keep up with them. Australia were better, but hardly in the same league England or France. It will be interesting to see what happens in the third test.

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#2960832 29-Aug-2022 17:18

networkn:

Argentinas defense was a masterclass. Seriously seriously impressive. I think it's unfair to heap disgust on the AB's without giving an equal amount of praise to Argentina.

Was hardly a masterclass in defence by the Argies, all they did was execute basic defence, moving up together in a straight line... was thoughtless by the ABs not adapting to it, by kicking in behind, also our lack of composure throughout the match wasn't great.

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#2960845 29-Aug-2022 17:53

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The Black Ferns performance was very different in the weekend. They definitely were trying some new things and trying to up the pace, but the skills didn't keep up with them. Australia were better, but hardly in the same league England or France. It will be interesting to see what happens in the third test.

It’s only a two test series.

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#2960853 29-Aug-2022 18:29

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networkn:

Argentinas defense was a masterclass. Seriously seriously impressive. I think it's unfair to heap disgust on the AB's without giving an equal amount of praise to Argentina.

Was hardly a masterclass in defence by the Argies, all they did was execute basic defence, moving up together in a straight line... was thoughtless by the ABs not adapting to it, by kicking in behind, also our lack of composure throughout the match wasn't great.

Well, 2 AB's said it was a brick wall, I'd class that slighly better than basic. Masterclass is a fair judgement.

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#2960985 29-Aug-2022 21:40

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networkn:

Argentinas defense was a masterclass. Seriously seriously impressive. I think it's unfair to heap disgust on the AB's without giving an equal amount of praise to Argentina.

Was hardly a masterclass in defence by the Argies, all they did was execute basic defence, moving up together in a straight line... was thoughtless by the ABs not adapting to it, by kicking in behind, also our lack of composure throughout the match wasn't great.

Well, gee, there is a hell of a lot of well-respected Rugby pundits, commentators, and fans praising it and calling it just that. 195 tackles missing 6, is by any rational assessment is masterful defense.

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#2960993 29-Aug-2022 22:03

Expecting a rational assessment in this thread? Bold move.

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#2961042 30-Aug-2022 08:19

networkn:

JPNZ:

Foster stated that it was his choice and he made it because both starting props had niggles and he thought replacing the whole front row worked well against SA. So the two props were coming off due to injury but in hindsight taking off the best forward (Taukei'aho) as well (not injured) was not the right call.

I wasn't aware of that (obviously). He got it wrong in that case, though I still maintain you couldn't really have predicted Taylor would have been that erratic, even on current reduced form.

You must be watching with your eyes closed, the lineout under Taylor has been a shambles. Then the two tests Taukei'aho starts there are no problems.

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#2961043 30-Aug-2022 08:23

Handle9: Expecting a rational assessment in this thread? Bold move.

You two should make a private echo chamber topic where you can back and forward with each other for jollys. This is officially the worst AB team of the professional game, and this coaching team has been in place for 3 years, plenty of time to "rebuild". People will have critique of the team, and so they should.

Fundamentally this AB team shows a lack of ability to adapt under pressure.

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#2961060 30-Aug-2022 09:52

itxtme:

Handle9: Expecting a rational assessment in this thread? Bold move.

You two should make a private echo chamber topic where you can back and forward with each other for jollys. This is officially the worst AB team of the professional game, and this coaching team has been in place for 3 years, plenty of time to "rebuild". People will have critique of the team, and so they should.

Fundamentally this AB team shows a lack of ability to adapt under pressure.

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this isn't Fosters first year in the job, or even around the damn team. Why are people in here thinking a rebuild takes three years? He's sucked from year one, was terrible in year two and somehow gotten WORSE in year three. A rebuild comes with progress, yet we've regressed year on year.

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