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Reply # 1562684 30-May-2016 22:13

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No one has the lead Nico has and has not won it. No one. BUT, its been a Lewis bad luck time. Two Nico DNF;s and LH leads. But if Nico plays safe takes second most races, the odd win he wins. But he won't IMHO, he's learnt that being fast and stable is a silver medal, he will push

And suddenly it's just 24 points. That's less than one converted try with 65 mins to go in a test match. I have a feeling your statisticians didn't tell you that in the past a win was worth 10-12 points, whereas it's now 25.

Anyway, see, Nico moves across on Hamilton, Hamilton moves across on Ricciardo, people do this a lot.

But take nothing away from that guy, he knows how to win. Unfortunately.

My statisticians?

Yes he knows how to win but so does 25% of the grid. But it was gifted on this occasion. Move over team mate, moe over RBR screwing 8 second from his pitstop.

But, no sad sack this weekend anyway.

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Reply # 1562686 30-May-2016 22:15

Benoire:

joker97:

tdgeek:

No one has the lead Nico has and has not won it. No one. BUT, its been a Lewis bad luck time. Two Nico DNF;s and LH leads. But if Nico plays safe takes second most races, the odd win he wins. But he won't IMHO, he's learnt that being fast and stable is a silver medal, he will push

And suddenly it's just 24 points. That's less than one converted try with 65 mins to go in a test match. I have a feeling your statisticians didn't tell you that in the past a win was worth 10-12 points, whereas it's now 25.

Anyway, see, Nico moves across on Hamilton, Hamilton moves across on Ricciardo, people do this a lot.

But take nothing away from that guy, he knows how to win. Unfortunately.

Although with the ricciardo shot, there is a good gif of them both coming head on before the hand wave by Daniel and its quite clear that Hamilton left enough room between his wheels and the barrier for him, but daneil got on the power and the car wiggled causing him to think there wasn't enough.. links gone now but here is an image:

Hamilton continued straight on after this and didn't squeeze him out, plus this was on the racing line rather than off it at Barcelona. He did compromise this though by his exit at the chicane, no advantage as Daniel got this close; had he locked up and turned in normally, this wouldn't have happened.

Need to see the after race, Im sure PDR will have a SkyPad on it. I thought the wiggle was DR braking before he got squeezed, but haven't seen any footage yet

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Reply # 1562689 30-May-2016 22:17

Jaxson: My concern was cutting part of the chicane and then doing this. Most others had been quite gracious throughout the day when ballsing up that section and gaining an advantage. Basically if you've forced yourself to cut any of the corner, then you've gained an advantage by not having to stop your car sufficiently.

Anyhow, sitting around twiddling your thumbs whilst your team finds some tyres for you was the real offence on the day.

Gutting. Never seen him not smile, it was like they had a stand in at the podium. This is what newer teams do, but RBR, man thats so poor. AS he said, its the second time he's been screwed.

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Reply # 1562692 30-May-2016 22:27

RBR need their mojo back eh

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Reply # 1562693 30-May-2016 22:28

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This link: https://streamable.com/snhp shows some of the footage, suggests that its all ok in terms of space left over etc.

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Reply # 1562699 30-May-2016 22:41

Benoire:

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This link: https://streamable.com/snhp shows some of the footage, suggests that its all ok in terms of space left over etc.

Cheers. That does appear as ok. I still can't see why there is a wiggle, and DR waved his hand at Lewis, he wouldnt do that if the wet track

cost him momentum for an overtake. Im now watching the after race, the video is on the car camera, and that does look a lot different. It does look like he

had to sharply correct as Lewis was cutting him off, the gap that was big enough closed very quick. But the stewards saw it as ok, so its ok. Pretty marginal from the car cam though.

Damon Hill saw this as Lewis best race ever, as he ran the new Ultra Soft 47 laps. DR ran one grade up, super soft, that were used, for three less laps, and following which is harmful to the fronts, albeit less at Monte Carlo. I reckon Damon is engrish....

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Reply # 1562701 30-May-2016 22:47

I think he might have said that as the strategy call by Lewis was pretty good and he did manage to keep the US tyres running despite their poorer reaction to temperature and shorter life than the super softs; either way the redbull pitstop cost them the race... Lewis did well to keep in front and it appears when the track cooled, the ultrasofts appeared to work better and he pulled away more.

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Reply # 1562703 30-May-2016 22:56

Benoire:

I think he might have said that as the strategy call by Lewis was pretty good and he did manage to keep the US tyres running despite their poorer reaction to temperature and shorter life than the super softs; either way the redbull pitstop cost them the race... Lewis did well to keep in front and it appears when the track cooled, the ultrasofts appeared to work better and he pulled away more.

LOL I rewound it. "You know what, I think that was one of his best ever victories" That was after a "lucky victory" was said by Simon. They are all brits so thats ok, but had DR had a non 13 second pitstop, he would have been up the road and gone, clear air, managing the tyres. And his SS were used and he was in the dirty air. Maybe I'm gutted that DR lost another race due to upper team management, while Lewis is bathing in his great win. He was gifted. Notable that he gave DR a huge rap on the podium. Thats was a bit weird,most un Lewis like, but when Lewis is happy he's super happy!

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Reply # 1562705 30-May-2016 22:59

Lewis had that last year when Merc called him on almost the last lap and gifted the race to Rosberg... Stuff happens, drivers get grumpy, sad, happy, angry etc. and the media love to interview just as they step out of the car with all the adrenaline flowing... but yes, hammy when happy is super super happy and when sad, well sad panda comes to play... Although DR looked like he copied one of hammys trademark sulks.

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Reply # 1562714 30-May-2016 23:46

Benoire:

Lewis had that last year when Merc called him on almost the last lap and gifted the race to Rosberg... Stuff happens, drivers get grumpy, sad, happy, angry etc. and the media love to interview just as they step out of the car with all the adrenaline flowing... but yes, hammy when happy is super super happy and when sad, well sad panda comes to play... Although DR looked like he copied one of hammys trademark sulks.

Very true. Altho DR lost the race 100%. Everyone says that across the paddock. Except Lewis who said, he really earned it, it wasn't a race he lucked into.

Luck happens, good and bad, I just dont like it when luck is handled as a display of raw skill. Many drivers are quick to state how lucky their race went.

Not Lewis.

LOL he other thing I hate is listening to Max's interviews, he always says the right things 110% pf the time. Trump needs him as a running mate!

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Reply # 1562733 31-May-2016 05:57

At the end of the day It doesn't matter what caused Lewis to win because no one will remember it. What people will remember is LH won. Unfortunately if he goes on to top Rosberg this race could well be the pivotal moment. I would be fuming too if i were DR, but such is life.

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Reply # 1562736 31-May-2016 06:26

Benoire:

I think he might have said that as the strategy call by Lewis was pretty good and he did manage to keep the US tyres running despite their poorer reaction to temperature and shorter life than the super softs; either way the redbull pitstop cost them the race... Lewis did well to keep in front and it appears when the track cooled, the ultrasofts appeared to work better and he pulled away more.

More like when the track heated up, before Lewis could get some heat into his ultrasofts.

Even in Q3 Lewis for some reason took 3 laps to get enough heat into his ultrasofts before he began his flying lap on the 4th time round. The rest needed 2 laps and did their flying lap on the 3rd time round on ultrasofts.

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Reply # 1562740 31-May-2016 07:06

joker97:

Benoire:

I think he might have said that as the strategy call by Lewis was pretty good and he did manage to keep the US tyres running despite their poorer reaction to temperature and shorter life than the super softs; either way the redbull pitstop cost them the race... Lewis did well to keep in front and it appears when the track cooled, the ultrasofts appeared to work better and he pulled away more.

More like when the track heated up, before Lewis could get some heat into his ultrasofts.

Even in Q3 Lewis for some reason took 3 laps to get enough heat into his ultrasofts before he began his flying lap on the 4th time round. The rest needed 2 laps and did their flying lap on the 3rd time round on ultrasofts.

Benoire's right. Brundle talked about going to the end. Post race the Merc strategists took track position over tyres, and the cooller and wet track, which was wet still in places allowed the tyres to last as while they never got to ideal temp, the cooling gave them life. RBR clearly thought the same. DR's used SS was just as good as the new US, the delta for those two isn't that high. At the time I thought, well, they should draw away from those 3rd and below, allowing another stop if they fell off the cliff, but in the end that didn't happen.

Bad luck/good luck happens, I have no issue, this is F1. The issue I have is Lewis lucked into having a new set of US, he got given 10 seconds and track position, in what is 100% a race DR should have easily won. Yet, he tells us that he earnt it, it wasn't a race of luck that he won, thats utter BS. We've all heard other drivers mention luck if thy got that. If the truth be known, Lewis was happy that he won, cos he's a bad loser, and being gifted a further 8 points was a huge bonus.

PS ! see Alex Rossi won the Indy 500. Missed a fuel stop, was expected to run out a couple of laps from the end, didn't.

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Reply # 1562742 31-May-2016 07:13

Cool track gives life. But the track didn't cool. Yes the the track was cool to begin with. But the track warmed up over time as the water dried and the sun came out. It has to.

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Reply # 1562743 31-May-2016 07:20

joker97:

Cool track gives life. But the track didn't cool. Yes the the track was cool to begin with. But the track warmed up over time as the water dried and the sun came out. It has to.

It was cooler as it was cold to begin with. It was wet in areas such as the start of the tunnel. The cars run slow. All these added to conditions that are a world away from a proper track on a proper day.

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